2020-10-22 PPS School Board Intergovernmental Committee Meeting

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Event 1: Board Intergovernmental Committee Meeting 10/22/2020

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everybody for joining us today as i said a couple minutes ago but before everyone was on we uh we do have a hard stop at six o'clock um for those of us who are interested in other national events that might be going on um so we have uh two agenda items tonight um to talk through um jonathan garcia is here to talk uh to us and give us an update on the sense of belonging he's been doing and then we're also gonna talk about the draft legislative agenda and actually we have public comment at the very end but um cara can i ask has anyone signed up for public comment no okay so i don't think we will need to leave that uh 10 minutes to make sure let me know if anybody contacts you in the meantime uh and wants to give any public comment uh with that why don't we go ahead and dive in jonathan you want to take it away thank you director scott uh hi everybody uh so this is uh just a quick update on our work uh since uh our superintendent um and both our superintendent and the mayor both announced that uh there would be there would be a discontinued uh regular presence of uh school resource officers in our schools as you know board members [Music] when the superintendent made that um announcement he also called for [Music] us to begin to look at uh different uh components of uh safety and belonging and so uh this happened you know uh in july um and so um you know we've been focusing on opening schools uh so in phase one of our conversations given that our folks are uh our students are not in schools we knew that um our principals needed um uh i was um ways for for them to interact with uh police officers uh um or sorry uh police officers or other entities so we provided uh them with uh you know a quick one-pager which i'll i'll share with all of you of um how to contact if there's a threat to self or others if there's any child abuse or if there is any sexual harassment uh or sexual assault incidents in our schools so uh we in partnership with molly emmons who is our director of security services and james loveland who is our senior director of health uh you know and his team we've been working on providing those levels of support um uh so that uh our principals are not exclusively calling you know uh uh obviously anymore um but instead are using the appropriate internal resources that we have like counselors like our title nine um uh coordinator etc so that's the first thing that we did to launch school now we're at a place where um as uh incidents happen outside of school um issues like like i said sexual harassment um or sexual yeah stalking harassment missing students uh title ix investigations death notifications there is information that we need as a school system uh to be able to provide the mental uh and the overall supports to our students and so uh in joint partnership with mesd and the other two school districts in the county uh we are in conversations uh about designing uh information sharing agreement um that is one way um uh uh for our health teams and our our mental health teams uh here at the district and in other districts uh in our security team to have real-time data of issues that come up so i'm going to share my screen just to make sure i just make sure you understand what i'm saying um jonathan what two districts are there uh uh park road park roads and park and david douglas hey douglas thank you um let me see i'm making sure which slide are you so again we're we're right now um thinking about what it would look like for the county school districts to think about a joint agreement where there will be an information sharing role where we would in information share around title ix investigation stalking and harassment missing students sexual incidents etc
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etc and so um this is really important for our mental health support team and our safety teams to to provide the necessary supports um to our students that um that they need during the time so we need to formalize this relationship so so i'll stop sharing the screen and um that's what i have for you happy to answer any questions hey jonathan what about um i was just looking looking running through that list really quickly i mean there's sometimes there's things that are happened property damage let's say i mean this happened like uh fire started at our schools or like a theft of computer equipment um like not knowing if it's a student or somebody else i'm just assuming we still call the police i mean that that's like a standard practice that's correct right so if it's anything criminal um uh life-threatening or damage to property you know we you know our security team would call uh police versus like unruly behavior like in the hallways or right that's no longer can i ask yeah question about um uh police using school property as a staging area um you know it happened awkwardly during one of the evenings um uh i know there was no prior communication i've heard there was no prior communication from ppd to asking permission and i'm not aware that it happened since but i think it would be helpful to have that codified um because i don't think the demonstrations are going to stop um i think if anything things are going to ramp up and and i think it puts school property at risk if the police are using it so we're going to add that to this i will i will um i will speak to our director of security services to think about how we might um incorporate that in uh in an agreement like that rita are you suggesting an agreement that prohibits them from using our property for any police staging at all um well um probably um at minimum they i would i would insist that they have to get explicit permission um i i mean i wouldn't i wouldn't want it to be so restrictive that um if we wanted the police to enter school property that they would not be allowed to but i mean this was a completely non-school related activity um we'll do a we'll do a risk analysis of of kind of the you know the benefits the costs and benefits of a decision like that um and and can come back to to look to this body to to to look at thank you john then i would just add on that we don't we need to go too far down that road but you know a couple of the emails i got around that issue we're very frustrated that police were gathering and using our schools of staging areas in order to deal with the black lives matter protests but also suggested why weren't they actually dealing with some of the right wing protests which to me just raises that i mean it's a challenging public policy question right i mean there are there are are dangerous events happening you know throughout the city um and and i i guess i just i want to be careful right that we don't sort of overreact one way or the other i mean to the extent that to be really blunt proud boys are staging you know uh at or near a school um you know for one of for one of their rallies either you know permitted or not um i would certainly hope that we have ways to keep uh the community safe in that instance and so um again i just i think it's a it's a more complex issue than maybe uh it just requires some thought so yeah yeah i'm happy to bring uh kind of to work with with molly edmonds to think about uh kind of a risk analysis of or analysis that looks at kind of the intended and unintended consequences of a decision like that yeah um getting back to your list um and i just want to make sure i understood you you talked about how the information sharing would only happen
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if sort of we've exhausted all of the things but was that was that us sharing information with police or was that them sharing information with us correct that's them sharing information with us you know we are very uh much governed by very strict for guidelines as you as you're aware aware and so we we as a district cannot share uh any for information about our students or their families but uh it is always important that uh that when incidents happen in the community that we are among the first uh institutions to know uh when it impacts our students for families again to provide that support so it is a one it is one definitely one way uh yeah and that was my understanding which is why the language around sort of only if all other um you know avenues have been exhausted i guess maybe maybe it would help me just to know a little bit more concretely what we're talking about there because i would think we would be interested in as open a flow of information as possible but but maybe not maybe that's problematic as well can you can you walk through a little bit of the thinking around that yeah i mean i think i think so you know when when we say uh to the extent possible i mean i think you know um obviously the the bureau is governed by their own set of rules that they have to to think through so all of it is obviously based on what we're able to share i think uh specifically you know one of the things that that we're looking at um is and i shared this with director moore uh yesterday uh wanting to to re to re uh revisit a conversation with uh child services uh dhs um to really restrict restraint in that relationship so again we're recreating a lot of the safety pieces um you know across this organization and so so and and in that we have to rebuild some of the relationships um with other organizations you know like uh hhs hs as an example and so uh so in that case you know we would work we would want to work with child care service or child services for example uh before we reach out to the bureau right um if it's a child uh harassment issue or a child a model you know issue um so does that make sense yeah no no i appreciate that okay so i see what you're saying so right if there's a right if social service is involved there's an issue of of alleged or or you know convicted child abuse there may be other paths that we would be gathering that information from that would be very appropriate and and yeah would provide us what we need no that that really helps thank you so i had an additional question so at the beginning uh jonathan you talked about that one picture and i would be interested in seeing it um i'm curious whether like um so we don't have the school resource officers so they're not self-generating work but have we changed the role or handed some of that now to the responsibility to the principal that they're making the judgment of like when to call police or yeah tell me a little bit more about that is that something new or is that like hey they always did that or this isn't really anything new it's just being really clear when when to call and when not to call yeah i think it's it's being more clear right so i think uh historically you know when any incident whether it was uh you know any of the incidents that i outlined again on i'll share the one pager some most principals or some principals would call their sro right and they'd say and then after that the sro would then figure out you know who to who to work with or how to how to kind of uh inform or how to how to take the necessary steps what we're what we're asking our principals to do now is to instead of calling the one single sro the single person that they would typically have gone to is that if you know to reach out to ex as an example leanne o'bannon uh for uh you know uh sexual molestation issues or uh you know working with amy rona around any mental health uh and her team so i think we provided a list a a fuller list of you know of the wide range of services that we as a district already have in our possession so it's not really shifting anything other than you know the process or the the the different strands of people that you that the principles reach out to okay and i i mean what i correct me if i'm wrong jonathan but what i thought i heard from when we talked about it before was that this has revealed how often principals have been calling on the sro to intervene when there may have been other resources that would have been more appropriate
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yeah i think that um you know like any anybody i think we we you know sometimes are running a million you know running a million things at once and i think uh it's easier to find to to go straight to to one single source versus really thinking about the different uh uh diversity of resources that we have as a district and so this is really just stretching all of our muscles to really think differently about how we we might you utilize you know the array services that that can be provided to support the the the our students i guess the other thing is um since the sro unit no longer exists um if police are called um chances are we're going to get a beat cop who does not have the kind of training um and expertise that that we really could count on with a lot of that sorrows um so we're gonna have to be i mean we're gonna have to be extra careful i think about how to mediate that interaction i think as a community we we have to uh as a community not just as a school district have to reimagine what safety feels and looks like other questions for jonathan jonathan anything else you want to share about the process so far and actually actually anything you want to share about the process um in terms of of you know so far um the engaging with the students or the and i guess also the timeline moving forward for this um for this iga definitely uh i want to be clear it's not an iga uh it's a information sharing uh between the the school district or between mesd and um and just for my benefit is that an important distinction it sounds like it is um i think that the i for me i think the iga is is two-way right like there is um again i think this one is really uh one directional um so i again i'm not the lawyer so and i don't have the lawyers here so i don't know if there is a distinction so i'll defer to the lawyers i think my political i think i'm using the political response to to your answer um so in terms of timeline so uh in a few weeks uh post-election um uh planning to to come out to the dsc to share a little bit of our thinking around uh student engagement and uh involvement um uh obviously you know with with distance learning that's been a little bit of challenge um and so uh post election again uh in two weeks we'll come to to i've been working with the end uh to to really bring uh this to the table to the dsc um to really get a sense of is this the right direction uh for engaging our young people uh through this conversation i think what's going to be really important as you uh you at board members know is that we want to bring all of our students to the into the conversation but really uh center um the experiences of uh our students uh on the margins uh um black and indigenous and students of color uh and so um we will have to think through how we how do we do that um as you know last year um last school year we uh uh granny ledezma and omni uh along with shanice and others um uh went you know spent uh quite a time quite a bit of time meeting with students uh across our comprehensive pools and um and was you know and and and i think what was apparent and and i'll reiterate and i'll reshare our memo from shanice um you know i think it's an interesting conversation that we that we need to have as a community because i think safety uh feels and looks like differently for for communities of color uh and even the the way in which we think about um safety and the future of policing is very different from maybe some of the uh the rhetoric that you hear um uh kind of on the national stage um and so i think we need to be just uh mindful that you know uh it's not a black and white issue but it's a it's definitely a gray issue and so i think this is where our uh i'm looking forward to having our young people really uh lean into the critical thinking uh skills that that we we hope for our students in understanding that again this is not a black and white issue but a very much in the gray and and how do we move along move forward understanding that you know the sro slash safety in our schools is just one of the uh the many issues around safety in our community
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great thanks thanks jonathan um i do want to give an opportunity um for i think uh uh day by and and tay are on the call um i think uh you're two of our student representatives jaya also is the third representative on this committee and just wanted to give you an opportunity if you want to have uh any comment about the issue i'm going to take the silence as a opportunity to wait until jonathan visits the dsc uh and others so great all right thanks thanks jonathan i appreciate it um i appreciate that update great thank you very much thanks jonathan okay let's uh move on to the second agenda item um so this is to discuss the um draft uh portland public schools legislative agenda for the 2021 legislative session as a reminder we last meeting talked a little bit about um talked a little bit about this brainstorm some ideas we looked at what our agenda had been two years ago for the session um or maybe that was a short short session agenda i can't remember um and uh courtney's gone back and done some work based on that and has brought back to us a draft for us to talk about today so courtney you want to walk us through what we have yeah and um it was the initial draft i brought to you was the 2019 draft um and we decided in the last meeting to call it let's just call it an agenda let's call it what it is platforms seem kind of high in the sky are kind of you know ambiguous so agenda it is and so i'm gonna screen share i know you guys have it in front of you does that make sense to screen share okay um let's make sure i can do this and courtney why don't we um if it's okay with the other board members as you go through uh why don't you sort of walk us through what's on here in the rationale and then let's ask questions as we go and in terms of if people have you know notes or thoughts or questions or whatever and then um we'll try and leave a little time at the end um just to talk about um timeline and and in terms of timeline for finishing this up and when we want to bring it to the board and some of that will be informed but i think by our conversation tonight so sounds great um okay so can everybody see this yes yeah okay it's always weird when i'm screen sharing because i can't see you so i as many times as i've done this it's still weird so bear with me um okay 2021 coming up um kicking off i like to have a little bit of information at the top that just says hey a disclaimer this may not be exhaustive there may be things that could pop up that we want to weigh in on that aren't explicitly called out here so that's what paragraph 2 i guess is really all about the first paragraph of course just says hey we care about our vision we want to make sure that that's a part of our that that's weaved in throughout and as well um the way i structured it and we can talk about this is kind of linking each um subject area or category to some element of our system shift um and then uh and then i mentioned that you know we we have historically worked very closely with our partners at other school districts at the education lobby level so cosa osga um stanford children and others um that we've just we when i'm in salem in salem this year uh we have weekly meetings with um with our lobby group and so we we share a lot of information so i plan to share whatever you all approve um as soon as possible and frankly i'd like to get a new draft out to them just for their own edification but it's really helpful as we go through the process of the legislative session to just be open and transparent and sharing where we stand and then the first bolded sentence you can see just a little bit of information about what the shifts are that we're kind of weaving through and then the first category of course is funding that's obviously a top priority because every issue area requires money um so even if we're talking about ways to um center racial equity doing that work costs money uh so i just i know that you know that but i'm just making a point that that's why this is first um and the connection to the system shifts is all of them because everything we do in our district is um funded through state dollars much of it is funded through state dollars and so that's a nod to that right now i have x's on some of these dollar figures and percentages just because i'm working with cosa and others to land on what that number is there's conversation in salem happening right now about what the current service level is going to look like for the state school fund sorry if you hear kids yelling in the background i told them not to do that um the so we we haven't landed on that number i'm hearing um nine i've heard 9.3 i've heard
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uh 9.4 but i i really don't want to land that yet because i want to make sure that we're aligned um same goes for the percentage obviously i don't know what the percentage increase would be over last item because i don't know the bottom line number um and then of course we want to preserve the student success act from any changes um to them you know to the collection amount or any of that kind of nitty-gritty um it's even though we didn't get the full amount of what we had hoped the formula is still in statute and we wouldn't want to adjust that unless you know the adjustments were in our favor um so i think that that's something that we can talk about um being more clear on if we want to do that my only question on this one will advocate to predict i mean do we are there any sort of technical fixes or anything that might be coming up that yeah um i have not heard that yet but that doesn't mean that that's not you know a conversation that's happening so i think you know we could oh my lord i have screeching out there i'm so sorry um it is actually 100 okay i just want to be very quick totally fine yeah you know kids like break down at the end of the day it's totally normal um so yes i think there probably are conversations happening i know and maybe julie has heard i have no idea what the business community is talking about around the student success act um you know everybody's focused on a lot of other things but this is going to be a conversation that continues every session i'm sure because there are still people who don't want who don't want to have that extra tax that corporate activity tax so i i wonder if there's a little language just just uh to protect the student sussex from changes that you know uh decrease the amounts or the material change the act or something along those lines i just i just i feel very absolute versus there may be like you said there may be changes that benefit us so there may be technical adjustments that we're in favor of so if there's something we could include there that just makes it a little more clear or elements of it i mean exactly for answer your question i haven't heard any any discussion i mean with of anybody who could do anything about it yeah right right actually i kind of had a little bit different take when i read through this because i'm agreeing to this thinking hey last session we got the largest tax increase for education probably in 40 years and so this just this seemed like a yeah we got that and i keep going um and it's right in the midst of a you know recession and i'd be curious what osba you know is thinking because you know i mean most places you're not getting there's not getting there's not there isn't a roll-up um of budgets and i'm and just think about how this comes across i mean i and i actually i should think we should acknowledge the the foundation that we got last session yeah we can do that you know the last time sorry i didn't need to cut you off i just wanna um the last time we our last legislative platform did go a little deeper in some of that um anecdotal uh mention of sort of where how we got there um so i'm happy to add more sort of narrative behind this if you want to do that i just wanted to keep it pretty short um so we can do that we can talk about how you know and and i can throw some language together but you know giving some background on wow this was really a big deal we really appreciate it we want to continue to preserve it i mean one of the things is we're going to get more money because i think actually next year is going to generate more well in future years it's going to generate more just because of you know increased business activity whenever the economy gets going again um i just think we we need to be thoughtful about how we we talk about it because otherwise i think we fall into the there's there's never there's never enough um i mean like there's places that i think we're going to have increase is some increased costs that are going to be above beyond like we don't have anything in here about distance learning supports um but i'm sure districts are going to have infrastructure or tech yeah we i do have that included as um covid related but yeah you're right we could be more explicit about that yeah i think there's just gonna be all sorts of things like covet leave i mean when we ever go into it so it's it seems like there's there's two pieces there's a distance learning and then there's everything like the hand sanitizing stations and everything like that yeah but you know i think a lot of places like hey we can't make any investments this year because you know if the the economy but here in place had increased expenditures so if you're gonna do more go there
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it just seems like with not in the context of a pandemic or a recession so julia just you're sort of saying put a little context around the student success act in terms of talking about talking about the benefit right so we're not we're acknowledging right what a what a win and that we're grateful yeah yeah yeah i i think i think that makes sense and then and then maybe i didn't quite follow the second part but something more specific around like the covert related expenses like just just saying we want an x number increase it's like i i know like at least in my world is like nobody's saying like hey you just get x increase like roll up so i'm kind of thinking like how would we in it in a challenging economic time how do you make the case for an increase well it's increased costs related to distance learning or to you're talking about the third bullet adding some context to say and this one in particular was very straightforward in terms of just saying we might want to ask for more um but i think you're right we can't we shouldn't be asking we shouldn't be asking for just a number without some context that we need this number because we're also you know educating all of our students virtually right now and it has you know obviously has a cost to it so i understand what you're saying student investment accounts say like we only got you know 40 of the you know ex students that we want to provide assistance to or we need like x increment for summer school because of just the learning loss um i just think i'm thinking about betsy johnson elizabeth you know just like the lineup you might have in ways and means and like us making a case not just hey just give us more because we're in a new year and i do think we have some things that are not in substantial things that are going to increase costs that we can point to so that's better than just hey roll it up and you know we we can also take out some some nod to some you know amorphous number and just talk about um you know what what it what is this meant to do and let's make sure it's continuing to do that with the added context of in a cdl world i think this learning loss issue of everybody and guadalupe and i had talked about it at one point of so this is going to be this massive catch-up that also is going to need to happen um and you know is that something the state is just going to tell districts hey you got to make that up yourselves or are we going to get an additional increment of funds because an acknowledgement that you know think of the different groups of students that are going to fall farther further behind yeah yeah it goes back to the whole reason this was created in the first place which is to center equity in all of our work there's gonna be a lot of other parts of the state budget that that are gonna have they're going to be coming in with asks especially on the human health and human services side and so if we're just like hey we just want an increase without sort of building the case for it i think yeah it's not as strong yeah i agree with you great i'll be fit up uh okay so good to move on yep okay um full funding for measure 98 this is always tricky on how we talk about it since it's that was part of the student in uh the strategic initiatives bucket within the student success act but i think the bottom line is we want to continue to advocate for full funding for that program um and then uh the the next bullets around this is this coca-19 ex reimbursement and we can rephrase this if we don't want to call it that but that's what it is this this goes to your point julia about health and health and safety um funding like hey you know we're paying for ppe we're paying for you know all the cleaning equipment and you know that kind of kind of those kinds of expenses that was what i was thinking about in that particular bullet you know yeah the comment i had here was do we want to add all before expenses it's a small change but pbs will advocate to reimburse schools for all expenses incurred and and i'm thinking about it it's both from a state level and also a federal level right like like there are that you know the state still has character money that hasn't been allocated yet right that could be allocated to help reopen schools if the governor chose to do so um and the federal government you know has hopefully another one or two stimulus packages you know in them and i think sort of advocating for i mean there there are huge expenses that already are being incurred and that will be incurred and particularly when
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you know when we do reopen um i mean you know this is this is going to be with us for a long time there's going to be ppe and plexiglass and distance you know all these things that are going to be needed so um you know whether it's fema federal state whatever it feels like just you know we need to be advocating for reimbursement of all that because every dollar we don't get in reimbursement is just a dollar that comes out of the classroom so yep yeah i added that i'm just tracking tracking changes or adding comments and i'll take it back and um refine and send it back around that's great so it might be worth distinguishing or or noting that there are logistical expenses and then there are educational expenses that are associated with coving i'm just adding this in as my notes i can i'll make it better but great this is like just an overall commentary when we get to the point when it comes to the the full board if we're going to go through like a formal approval is there just things that we should um uh up level out of eduspeak um like ballot measure 98 so average person looking at this college and career readiness yeah we can do that so that people are like yeah that that makes sense of that we asked for full funding of that or i will edit to remove as you speak that's a good that's a good suggestion yeah yeah i can i can bring it down to that that non-pol non-policy speak for a normal audience okay courtney so then we've got osim and retro yeah we've benefited from both those programs we should continue to advocate for them we don't usually do most of the heavy lifting there but it's important to continue to support it i think um and then obviously unfunded manage uh are not helpful so let's not allow that anywhere we can uh this is total word smithing i apologize but i think the last part i think the last part of that's redundant i think we could just stop with unfunded mandates got it great let's make it shorter okay um so the next kind of category of course is important to pbs in all districts i think but we are uh talking about equity racial equity and social justice and everything we do because it's vital um so i put a little at the top just in the initial um uh blurb i guess is there and then i connected it to our racial equity align system structures and culture as part of the strategic plan and then each bullet is sort of individual advocacy so um talking about i talked with danny about including the hate speech um statutory language change that's a hot issue right now so that's in there um and then the second bullet i didn't want to list all of the things that the reimagine organ agenda has because it's long and lengthy and it's not ours but i do think it's worth and this is another thing i wanted to talk about towards the end of the meeting but i'll just mention it here danny and i were also talking about the potential of having a um for one of the one of our next meetings having um a couple of people like a panel maybe to come talk about the work that we imagine oregon is doing right now um and specifically focused on the education agenda um so all of that said do you want me to open this right now or do you want to move on and we can come back to that if you'd like and if there's time so i think if we're going to have it on the agenda like we should know what's what's in it and talk through like whether we're comfortable embracing that because i mean if there's a whole bunch of stuff i think we have to think about i mean because this makes it sound like we're gonna support it so i i'd want to look go through it and see you know whether we you know like each line like do we do we want pbs's name behind behind that and the just this is the other thing is um i like the idea of engaging with the group but i don't think um i think we have to sort of um shift things a little bit because they have this whole platform about education they have a pretty big platform about education and they didn't they didn't engage with us and so i mean i think in some ways it should be we want to we want to engage with you about what's in your platform and just make sure that like this aligns with what we're doing versus them coming to tell us like yeah here's the thing i don't know i can't see the screen but danny are you on yeah i'm on do you have anything to say about what what conversations we've had with folks that are kind of um articulating and developing the education policy agenda so the you know as you know as a result of the sort of like uh sort of racial protest that's been happening reimagine oregon
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has been working really closely with different jurisdictions the the total sort of set of packages they have basically kind of divided amongst themselves and sort of like come up with like plans around it so kali ladd who we work with she's a partner of ours um has been the lead on education uh she's been engaging with myself and with folks from multnomah county as well as legislators on these these items most of these items pps is actually sort of uh further ahead than the rest of the state um in sort of my estimation uh and so they've been really sort of looking to us to sort of like provide guidance and um [Music] some advice on it i think in general like we wouldn't we wouldn't my approach wouldn't be to sort of have have them come to us and and decide if if we like it i think it's more just like we wanted to work in partnership and support support with work it's it's stuff that's already aligns with our vision and with our racial equity policy so julia i think your point is a really good one that that we need to be we need to make sure that we know what's in there right and and be explicit about that um i hadn't even thought about that as i sort of went through it because i i generally support what i've seen in terms of the education policy but i think making sure that we we are really familiar with it and know it makes sense and so i like the idea of potentially having a briefing and and i'm wondering um i'll just i mean i think i think this committee is a good place to have that briefing but i also think the entire board needs to hear it so we can we can do it as a committee and and make sure everyone's invited um or we you know we could do it um you know at a board meeting as well um i would probably advocate for the former just just you know to sort of to sort of keep it here and then and then bring it i i do want to be a little and i julie i'm not sure i i quite caught the the last part of what you were saying i i know from so educators were left out of sort of the initial consultations i just look at the jurisdiction there's no there's no education no no they they weren't i will say though that that the the black community that's put this together has been pretty clear that um they're tired of sort of the you know what do you think we could get done what's realistic whatever and so so they've been much more explicit in terms of saying now is the time that we're going to make demands and we're going to go to the elected officials and tell them you have to do this and ask them um give me a time frame so don't don't tell me you can't do it tell me tell me when you can do it now obviously every elected official in every elected body has an opportunity to you know to push back on that but i just i want to be i want to be a little careful on this moment that um and i'm glad to hear that danny's been in consultation you know with these groups i mean it for me i'll speak personally the bar will be pretty high um about things that are on this list that we we won't want to do and i know that's not what you're saying julia because you're on board with this as well yeah and i think it's a good it's a good discussion because i just think i look at this and i'm looking at the first item on the list which is eliminate in-school arrests it's like we just had the whole conversation about you know we're phasing out school resource officers but they've got you know the timeline is they're going to do something in the 2021 legislative session and then they've got rob wagner and michael dembrow you know in the lead i'm thinking like this should actually be coming out of school districts versus you know we just had a conversation about like the legislature like telling us how we're gonna do things and so it just seems like we ought to have there ought to be school people involved in that discussion versus legislators and i just go through the lists and a lot of them you know in zero tolerance discipline policies and schools and again it looks like the legislature because the leads are senator wagner and deborah again the legislature's going to tell districts like here's how you're going to do it and it seems if if that's our work we should be embracing it and we agree with it and leading on it or leading a partnership with it it's just that just what i was trying to say no it's it's it's a it's a great point um courtney and danny let's let's see what we can do in terms of of scan and we'll get to timeline in a couple minutes um because i think this might this might feed into that so so let's let's just table this for a second but i think the suggestion of diving a little deeper on this is a really good one and i agree with the concerns around who should be leading and i i have not been engaged with um rob or will senator wagner and or senator dunbro about this at all so norma and they know you know where i work so it is interesting that they haven't done that but well and i would say that just just uh senator denver did sort of like share like the the concepts with folks and yeah redraft i
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think that their approach has been sort of like to take take this out and sort of like work with their constituents on it so yeah and we'll talk to i mean i'm happy to just reach out to them and and have more conversations in in concert with the um potential briefing great so we have just a little more than 10 minutes and i don't want to i don't want to short change the conversation because it's been really good so far so courtney let's let's keep going yeah i'll just keep moving and then if we want um and it's up to you but if we wanna if we can't make it through um i i'm happy to take any edits everybody has and i can put you know pull them together into something and then send it back around um so next is obviously we've been supporting and continue to support educator diversity efforts there's the grow your own program that costa got last year it's pretty small but you know everything everything's helpful uh the next one is this is an issue our regional programs are constantly underfunded um i hear about it a lot it's something that's also really hard to do in salem because regional programs doesn't mean a whole lot to a lot of people it's pretty amorphous um so there's been some effort in esd land to figure out how to rebrand it a little bit but it's something that um that you know needs some help so i added that in um and brenda martinik specifically brought it to me um and i was already aware of it so it's on here um the next one of course there's a cap so the way that special education services are funded um there's a cap on how much we get and we are way over in terms of what we actually how much we actually serve for those services so um figuring out a way to um remove the cap i don't know if this is doable next session or not but i think it's important to continue to talk about it and then the last one's pretty technical but we have been another program that lives at ode that funds our dart program which is our day in residential treatment program through multiple pathways it's constantly also on the chopping block and they just we there was just an issue where we thought we were getting cut mid-year but they restored it so it's another one that is a longer term i think conversation it may not be solved this session coming up but it's a small program that does a lot of good um before we leave this section um so i looked through it and is like okay if we if we if we were successful in all these things would that would that make a material difference to our students of color um and racial equity and i'm feeling like we're missing some bigger pieces um i don't just right now i don't know what they are but i could think of like okay we did all those things we probably still wouldn't make a huge difference so like is there something else that would be uh more transformative um that we could put in there or add and i know another conversation that's been happening that's being convened by chalkboard soon to be foundations for a better organ is around and this is it's early in the conversation but they're talking about how do we um how do we re-center equity in the state school fund and it's a longer term again longer-term conversation you can't dismantle or just you know untangle something like that in one session especially because it's always how we've done it um but the formula and the way it works um it's it's it's different than the sia and i think there's there's conversations about how do we align the two um so that's something that's i don't think i don't know what the big the there is yet but i know that there's conversations about trying to get a task force created to start to begin that conversation and i think we should be at that table absolutely um because and i don't know how our friends at cosa feel about that uh they like the formula but this is and i'm not saying they don't like it i just think they also would probably see this as a long long game but i think that would be an important thing to include if we want to support a conversation about how we um how we think about the state school fund in the future yeah it's not criticism what you have here it's just i'm trying to know um you know how do we make a bigger step forward if you had some things so and one one thing and i'd be interested in um the superintendent's uh view on this because he talks about it often is sort of this pipe like how do we um infuse the pipeline i know that we have like funding programs that support educator diversity but there's got to be more than funding so if you go through if you're going to get a license in the state of oregon or you go through a teacher prep program or administrative program like what would give us better um more culturally responsive teachers and principals and it's not necessarily about funding but like what are our requirements
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because wallaby says like yeah that'd be great but i've like i'm i've got the pipeline i've got that i have um and so i'm wondering like say again more than funding like what do we require somebody before they are going to you know stand in front of students and teach them um it would better prepare them to teach students of color and what i'm hearing you say is how do we how do we think through removing barriers um this is one thing i'm hearing you say removing barriers to licensure programs for example the administrative training programs that they're not like they're not getting what they need in order to serve the students we have yeah yeah can i weigh in on that too um and i i wanted to mention going back to the um bullet point on the educator diversity um i think it would be helpful to get some feedback from um guadalupe and the other superintendents in the area because the um the county-wide efforts um around the professional development you know the teacher pipeline stuff um that has captured all of our professional development money so and and i'm not convinced that it's going to be a really robust um program that will actually you know advance the cause um i've heard that from brothers um the other thing is um part of the initial coalition was uh um representation from um higher education and over the course of the meetings higher ed completely dropped out i mean part of it was one of them was concordia and concordia seems to exist halfway through um but i think there are some really significant issues around the quality of the teacher training programs that are available and and i i think we really have to start talking about um using using regulation to mandate um some some topics um i mean it continues to be stunning to me some of the what i would consider to be basic skill sets that are not addressed in teacher training programs and rita um just so you know the superintendent and i recently had a conversation with um teresa alonso leon who's the chair of the house education committee and brought that point up um because she's really pivoting her thinking during she let us know she's really focusing a bit more on higher ed this coming session um i think because the student success act passed last time and was dedicated to k12 but um but we brought that up with her and she was she was very interested in the topic so i think that's a really good thing to start talking about and that committee is probably a good place to have that conversation or at least start it that would be great yeah so we're gonna we're gonna run short on time this is a really rich discussion and i don't want to cut it off so let's let's switch to timeline and talk about sort of what we need and actually whether we need pretend potentially another meeting or not um because there there's there's for myself looking at the rest agenda there was um uh only one other comment i had mostly about the tscc um stuff and i've been doing a little uh emailing with claire on that um i do have some concerns about that i want to i want to explore a little further in terms of what that means um julia rita did you have anything that really jumped out at you at the rest of the agenda and i'm not cutting off we're going to come back to this we're going to have more time but just anything that you really want to get on the table the only two things again deeper on the reimagine oregon but the ts cc so i don't think it's i'm not worried about the burden it has on the district but i think it actually compresses our our process and so the community has last time so i would just i'm not opposed to removing them but it's just i would the reason the rationale for removing them is not the burden on the district it's that actually compresses our time frame between when we get the budget and when we have to do it we lose like three weeks that other districts don't lose because of tspp i'm sorry and would you say that that that impacts our ability to do robust community engagement well i i think you have like lose some of board oversight you less community engagement i mean it's just like it's a sprint
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okay we should talk more about that because the timelines are i mean don't have to be compressed right so so we can start earlier to get to that process and and build that three week time frame in for tscc so um my concern around that is a little and again it is a burden on the district but um but one that's manageable my question is


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