2015-02-10 PPS School Board Study Session
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Date | 2015-02-10 |
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Event 1: Board of Education - Study Session - February 10, 2015
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good evening this study session of the
board of education for february 10th
2015 is called order like to extend a
warm welcome to everyone present and to
our television viewers
while our study sessions are generally
limited to receipt of information from
staff and discussion of that information
as well as review of resolutions prior
to a vote at times like tonight we do
conduct votes during study sessions any
item that will be voted on this evening
has been posted as required by state law
this meeting is being televised live and
will be replayed throughout the next two
weeks please check the board website for
replay times and it's also being
streamed live on our pbs tv services
website
um so in just a note i'm
very glad to have folks from the public
here tonight of course but just a note
that as always our policy on holding up
the signs is you need to be sure you're
not blocking the folks behind you so we
appreciate your cooperation in that
um as well as we want to make sure out
of respect for the folks who are
presenting that the audience
tries to keep us keep your comments if
you need to have a conversation maybe to
go out into the foyer and have them
there so that we can be sure the folks
who are up here providing testimony or
information can be heard and and can
have a respectful moment for their what
they're providing so thank you for that
very much so with that we will start out
with public comment tonight miss houston
can you uh start out with the first two
names yes
that would be ann and amelia witt
great so thank you so much for being
here tonight and providing your comments
we are really looking forward to hearing
your thoughts reflections and concerns
we're going to actively listen and
reflect on them but not respond directly
at this time we do have our board
manager roseanne powell over there in
the audience so if you have questions
afterward you can follow up with her
so guidelines for public input emphasize
respect and consideration of others
complaints about individual employees
should be directed to the
superintendent's office won't be heard
in this forum so you have a total of
three minutes um please begin by stating
your name and spelling your last name
for the record during the first two
minutes a green light will be appear
when the yellow light comes on you have
one minute left and then when the red
light comes on we respectfully ask that
you wrap up your comments so thanks
again for being here we really
appreciate it and you may begin
all right my name is amelia witt witt
and i am a sophomore at cleveland high
school
and we are writing an english paper
about how we feel about school and i
point out that kids are sitting in desks
day after day and often the learning
feels very morphed and insignificant and
sometimes it's hard to
remember but when learning is associated
with something like outdoor school
learning feels it feels very powerful
and it feels uh very important and the
kids can connect the learning to amazing
memories that they have at outdoor
school
outdoor school
gives amazing teaching in science as
well as things like people skills kids
learn amazing teamwork communication and
how bonded they can be to a group of
people like the people in their cabin
for example and i just think that half a
week is not enough time for these kids
to learn all that they can and to
form those very strong bonds with their
cabin and their camp
i was fortunate enough to
go for a full week of outdoor school and
it was one of the most amazing
experiences i've had and i'm never going
to forget it
i was one of the kids that was sobbing
on the bus ride home
it really fueled a passion for science
for me and i've actually been
considering that as a career and i think
that it's very important to open these
kids eyes to science as a possible
career for them as well
so i i just think that it's truly unfair
that these kids won't get the experience
that i did and i think that that should
be changed
thank you
my name is ann witt w-i-t-t
i'm the mom of amelia witt 10th grader
at cleveland high school and also the
mom of a sixth grader aaron at hosford
middle school
as you heard amelia was fortunate enough
to go for a full week
and aaron went this fall for a half week
but to be honest i'm not really here to
speak for my kids my kids are really
fortunate they have
many wonderful outdoor experiences and
they have and will have for the rest of
their lives
i'm here to speak about and for other
for other children who don't have those
experiences
and my most favorite job that i've ever
had was as an outdoor school teacher
on the chesapeake bay in baltimore or
outside of baltimore
and
the students that i remember most from
that year and a half experience
were kids from inner city baltimore who
had never stepped foot out of their
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neighborhood
some of those 12 year olds were already
parents and they were
exuberant and ecstatic
at our outdoor school it was just
a remarkable experience for them and
to have had a full week of that
experience
was life-changing for them to see the
possibilities outside of their
neighborhood
i now am a portland public school speech
pathologist so i work across the
district
for
special needs students
and again
the student i remember the most was
a statuesque sixth grade native american
boy
who was living in his car at the time i
knew him
and
was really stuck in
just a terrible situation and the fact
that he got to leave that and see the
possibilities
and go to outdoor school for
for a week at that time
i hope and i think was transformative
for him
so that's why i'm here i think kids will
be fine with the short week
but i think the long week as my daughter
has stated really solidifies the
experience
and lets kids know that there's life
beyond
the neighborhood the car
the the toddler
or whatever they're dealing with in
their lives
in the city so thank you for your time
and i'm very excited to be here with my
daughter as you can tell this is a very
important
passion of both of ours
thank you so much thank you for both of
you
our last two speakers scott bailey and
sue shattuck
go ahead scott hopefully we'll join
good evening
my name is scott bailey and i'm here
tonight representing the board of
directors of community and parents for
public schools
uh thank you in advance for listening
the theme of what i'm going to say
tonight is unfinished business but
before i get into that i've got to
finish some other business you're going
to be hearing from the bond
accountability committee tonight
um
ted wolfe who's the cpps vice president
testified at their recent public meeting
and wanted me to forward
a brief summary of his comments
ted made two important points
first when it comes to the design
advisory groups that are part of the
process of rebuilding our schools
the composition these groups has has
been overrepresented by pps staff
as opposed to members of the public
and they haven't done a very good job
really of being representatives in terms
of communicating with the public
so there's some work to be done there
second
the bac needs to expand its work to
fulfill its mission
the bacu was charged by you the school
board to track the alignment of the bond
program with the goals and principles of
the long-range facilities plan
while the committee's work so far has
closely tracked the program's adherence
to the principle of fiscal prudence
through the balanced scorecard in other
reports
it has not included any systematic
look at the program's adherence the
principles of sustainability inclusivity
and with the exception of concordia
partnerships
so there's more work to be done there
i'm serving on the
what does dbrack stand for district-wide
boundary review advisory committee
it's a daunting task to redraw
boundaries for the entire district
especially given the tight timeline if
the goal is to implement new boundaries
by the fall of 2016.
it's even more challenging given the
number of unresolved issues in portland
public schools including some that
sackett had to deal with in in its work
that made that more complex
great configuration
the lack of any kind of a plan that
matches
the educational programs with actual
facility layout and size the lack of
clarity on the role and location of
focus focus option programs
the lack of a long-term plan for
expanding immersion programs while we're
supportive of immersion programs dual
language immersion expanding
there's seems to be very little
coordination with facilities planning on
that
the location of special education
programs which seem to be moved around
willy-nilly
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access which also is a nomad
where will it end up next
there are other unresolved issues as
well but i'm going to round it out of
time
at bottom though once again i'm going to
i'll get down on my hands and knees if
you want to ask you to please start a
process
of
bringing this district an educational
vision
and a strategic plan
every time our committees grapple with
these issues there are pieces that come
together that need to be coordinated and
we need those values to drive that to
bring us together to make progress
and i'm out of time so i'll stop there
thank you very much
um you want to call the other person's
name one more time was sue shattuck
sue shattuck not with us okay
all right then thank you all very much
for sharing your views with us tonight
we appreciate it
so tonight uh we're gonna get our
quarterly update from the bond
accountability committee so wanted to
invite down kevin spellman and luis
fontenot to the speaker's table to
present your report thanks so much for
being here
good evening um
co-chair atkins members of the board
superintendent smith
um
your bond accountability committee um
met january 21st for our quarterly
meeting at grant high school
and we were pleased to be joined by
three
directors thank you for attending
director belial director kola director
buell
before we get into the report i want to
thank you
as a board for reappointing two of our
members two of our valuable members tom
peterson and
willie paul both had two year terms when
we started this and they agreed to
put themselves forward for reappointment
and
you um granted that and we really
appreciate that they they're valuable uh
folks
at the meeting we received updates from
staff that included the balanced
scorecard
we looked at each of the bond projects
in
individually
we looked at where we sit with the
recommendations from the performance
audit from last year and we touched on
bond work that related to historic
significance and capital partnerships
and we'll talk a little more about that
the
large projects that are out there
roosevelt and franklin high schools are
at a critical point um negotiations
continue to with the cmgcs to reach get
the guaranteed maximum price and that's
at a point where there's a significant
shift
of risk from the district to the
contractor the the scope of the projects
really gets
tied down and the price risk at least to
a large extent start moves over to the
contractor so we're anxious for that to
happen and i'm sure you are too
grant high school project is starting to
get underway and sense that a project
director has been appointed and
will be moving promptly now into
selection of a design team
and master planning will
start mid-year
fabian pka school replacement is
underway again after taking a little bit
of a hiatus while concordia did their
fundraising exercise
ip14 is coming to a close
there was the work that was scheduled
for the summer as as you recall was
completed on time and on budget
but each of those
three of those schools i think had
elevator work still to be done and
that's
getting concluded right now planning for
ip15 is underway
the designs are on schedule for
earlier notices to proceed then
than last year with any luck because if
you recall we had some lessons to learn
there about
the ramp up time that's needed between
bid and starting work
following the meeting
we were given access to the district's
financial audit which includes the bond
program and we won't dwell on that
because we were pleased to see no
questions raised about how the bond is
being handled
so the key issues for us
really
are the same as last time we were here
um that's not to say nothing's happened
but the the key the
focus on these issues remain
scheduled particularly roosevelt and
franklin remain a concern
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that both of those schools are behind
the baseline schedule there is a plan to
bring them back but at this point it's a
plan it's not in place yet so we're
we're continuing to watch them
um construction documents on both of
those projects has been is being phased
or will be phased
as will the building permits and that's
a common um
approach to these kinds of projects but
it's not without some risk so again
we'll be watching how that process goes
and as i said the guaranteed maximum
price will also be a key issue
planning for ip15 we looked at
uh
keenly because this summer we only have
65 calendar days to do this work and
there are going to be seven construction
contracts and um sometimes then the
number of comp the size of contracts
doesn't matter quite as much in managing
them quite as much as the site as the
number of them so
seven
construction contracts over the summer
is a significant management task and so
we'll be watching that
um
budget is always an issue of course the
program budget
is now 522 million dollars including the
15 from concordia
the the biggest concern other than the
guaranteed maximum prices which i won't
dwell on anymore uh relates to
market conditions we have a lot of
concern about the effect of market
conditions on pricing as these projects
are bid out we've
had some struggles with ip14 if you
remember
and so we're concerned about ip15 and
indeed the bidding out of the high
schools
once
the ip projects were bid
the work
came in under budget and we didn't use
all our contingencies and that's a good
thing so that pays back some of that
overage in the first place but that is a
concern about
equity continues to be a focus about
student participation
remains encouraging there's been a
change if you recall on how we're
conducting that and how we're measuring
that so we'll continue to watch that
going forward
the first exercise of the workforce
hiring program through the summer
exceeded expectations
the number of apprentices employed on
those projects inc exceeded the goal so
that's a good thing
mwesb's
minority women
owned businesses and emerging small
businesses
continues to be a challenge it hasn't
changed significantly since we were here
before not much work has been done
but
on the plus side 3.7 million dollars has
been paid to
those firms
which is nine percent of total payments
we
i remain optimistic about how the high
schools will perform in that area
uh consultants are meeting in some
meeting the 18 goal which is pretty
incredible
but
that's partly because some of the ip
architectural firms qualify so that
those entire contracts are counted
towards that goal and some of the other
projects are falling a little short so
we don't think that they should those
other projects should get off just
because
someone else exceeded their goals so
we're going to continue pressure there
stakeholder perspective
generally the feedback as you'll see in
the balanced scorecard when jim presents
it
is generally very positive with the
exception of
roosevelt design advisory group which
shows as yellow
we
i we heard obviously scott bailey's
comments uh reporting on ted's um
report for their organization and ted
did speak to us not this time time
before
and
and and we agreed that
we should learn lessons from how the
design
advisory groups have been successful and
not so successful and going forward onto
grind grant high school we should
certainly incorporate those
and we understand that there are
adjustments in the the charter for the
grant high school
dags and we think that's appropriate
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including having fewer pps staff members
and more of community members
we also uh listened to uh our credit ted
with this we we did listen to his
comments at our prior meeting when he
reminded us that we're supposed to be
looking at things other than just budget
and schedule
and equity and those kinds of things so
we have put on our agenda at least
a kind of checklist of trying to look at
those
other metrics some of them are really
hard to measure
other than in um
in a holistic way and but this time we
looked at uh historic buildings and what
the bond program has done in terms of
his historic structures and capital
partnerships and it's clear obviously
that the concordia piece has has
kind of overwhelmed that but there are a
number of other partnerships out there
and we should continue focusing on those
just like the mwesb just because we do
really well here doesn't mean we
shouldn't be trying elsewhere
summary
our next meeting i think will be very
instructive because i
believe the gmps will be
solidified and will know exactly where
we are in those high schools and we can
be moving forward um
i wouldn't want to
finish without
saying once again that we remain
impressed with the teams that
you have both employed and hired as
outside consultants and contractors and
we think you have a pretty good team
going then
lewis want to add anything
no um
from from my perspective everything is
going very smoothly now
we are concerned with uh with schedule
and
as as kevin said earlier and of course
uh participation with the
mwesb's
but it
it looks like um
we'll know more about all of those in
the
in the coming months and hopefully um
we will get some more some better
visibility especially with the
with schedule but well with all three of
those
and so we'll see what happens um next
quarter
great thank you so much the board
members comments or questions steve
thank you again for your great work uh
did you learn any lessons do you think
around the teacher involvement the
teacher involvement was they're pretty
critical of that
the way they were involved in the
roosevelt and franklin uh
design process i mean do we have stuff
where we're going to do better and grant
or is that a lesson that
isn't laid out or i don't know you know
you're kind of looking like well what
are you talking about
no no i understand what you're talking
about
thank you
um
it's it's we haven't focused on that
director buell uh my understanding is
that
staff teacher staff non-teacher staff at
the schools
have been given opportunities to become
involved and and i i saw some and i know
some of you have seen some of that that
certainly at franklin and even at
roosevelt there were teachers
involved in the dag
and and going forward they won't be
involved in the dag so there's got to be
other forums for them made available
absolutely well yeah so
to some degree i think that
the problem was built around the way
they were involved could be they didn't
feel like they were truly involved many
of the teachers that they were kind of
the same whole halfway involved and now
we can say they're involved but not
really involved so i don't know i just
think it'd be nice if we look at that
and grant okay
i know that's not your job but i was
putting that out there
directory i actually had a
similar question i don't know if this
was your decision or if it was somebody
else's decision but
you have a paragraph in her about
stakeholder perspective
uh which talks about lessons learned
and especially from the roosevelt design
team
in lessons learned in terms of
implementation for grant high school
there would be a clear statement of
purpose pps staff members other than the
school principal will be excluded
and so that
actually concerns me
so
is there anybody who can explain to us
what is going on here one of the things
that i actually
heard the most from the roosevelt
process is that in fact we should have
had a teacher with career technical
education experience
on the design committee to kind of
advise the rest so i'm i'm confused
about this whole stakeholder paragraph
so
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jim owens is raising his hand in the
back as we're willing to come on up and
talk about because we've done a number
of lessons learned
um on the on this first round but i'll
let jim might have been sure
okay
i mean i think there's lots of room for
improvement
um but i'm not understanding where this
is going
so as
does i understand the question um around
the
teacher involvement in the design
advisory groups these were charted
groups that are intended to
be comprised of community members
who provide input to the design team the
committees report directly to our to our
osm project directors for the projects
and they're intended to provide
broad input in terms of the work their
advisory in nature
we don't seek consensus among them we
collect input the opportunity to get
input from teachers runs on a parallel
track so the project teams the design
teams actually engage teachers at
multiple levels at the building and they
work very collaboratively with them to
ensure that input is
is received we actually
feel that process that is in place to
get input is is very sound the reason
we're planning to change the
configuration of the charter for grant
is to
primarily have the principle
of grant high school be present to have
students represented to have community
represented and then to continue on
engaging teachers in a parallel fashion
in terms of what what i've seen i i feel
we've had a great deal of teacher input
and as we speak the collaboration that
is going on at franklin and roosevelt is
resulting in a plan that's going to be
very
very
deliberately crafted and is going to
result in our ability to complete these
projects so that when the construction
is completed the teachers are going to
know what to expect and they'll be
involved not only during the master
planning and the design phase but also
during construction phase so when we get
the work completed and we need that
complete usable facility those teachers
will be will be fully on board
i hope that fully responds to your
question but
it's a
it's the way we've approached the dag
process
steve um mr owen did anybody sit down
and talk with teacher representatives
that
friend from your office sit down and
talk with teacher representatives from
franklin and
roosevelt to see what they thought of
the process and if they had any
suggestions did you actually sit down
with the people and ask them those
questions i i personally have
participated in a number of sessions
with teachers
our osm project directors have had far
more engagement with them
and we have a very detailed record of
all the feedback that's been provided in
addition to teachers our operations
staff have been very actively integrated
into the design work that's it nutrition
services maintenance and operations
security it's a very holistic approach
to ensure that all of the district
participants who operate and maintain
and teach out of these out of these
facilities are are engaged so my
confidence level and roosevelt and
franklin as we have had extensive
involvement so the answer is no
to my question
the answer is yes you have actually sat
down with the representatives the head
reps in both buildings and sat down with
them and asked them specifically what
was what they needed what you needed to
fix about the roof and it continues it's
not a it hasn't ended the teachers have
been involved through the design phases
as we move into our
third phase for construction documents
they're involved as they move through
construction they'll be involved so
there's no
there's no end to that involvement
there's a continual
engagement process that's that's
designed into this
other comments questions direct block
i just want to thank you both and your
colleagues for taking the time and
making the effort to to sit on our
accountability committee um i know that
every time i sit in on those meetings i
learn a great deal and i really
appreciate what you were saying at least
about
concern about the mwesb efforts and
proposing solutions it's not just why
isn't this but here are some ways that
you can do it and i know i would imagine
staff are appreciating that because i
know everybody is working
extremely hard and quickly but want to
also be really thoughtful about how we
move forward so thank you both for
your time
and i just
i just want to say how exciting this is
again i know that
sometimes what i see about input process
and i appreciate mr ruins what you're
saying
is it's one of those things that i think
at franklin at least my experience was
the teachers that were on the dag
did a great job of going back to their
their colleagues and sharing that they
saw themselves as true representatives
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to as with a responsibility at the same
time even though that was true there was
a part in the process where all of a
sudden
people who were paying attention for
whatever reason we all live busy lives
realized there were some decisions that
had been made and they got really
frustrated because they weren't aware of
those decisions and so
continuing how do we loop that it's kind
of it reminds me of a spiraling of
curriculum how do we loop back and how
do we come back for
and at the same time i think that's a
nature of public processes a little bit
that until something resonates with
somebody um
they don't engage until they realize
that it was important to them so thank
you for your efforts and thank you for
being here
dr martin
thank you
both um
i think my
my only quick comment is regarding
mwesb's and
the need for us to do better i mean i
think we're
there are some goals that are i think
being met but and as you say in your
your summary uh there's a need for us to
uh
to either do
more engagement of mwesb's or
very likely at least that the feedback
i've received is that the process by
which we go out
is one that is in fact limiting to
smaller and emerging
businesses so
i don't know how much uh flexibility we
have i wouldn't be surprised if we had
small business owners and and other
contractors come and present to the
board
on the same issue
during public testimony but i i would
highly encourage us taking a deeper look
into how our process is right now and
how in that process
we're able to uh we're able to maximize
um partnership with mw esps
yeah director morton we agree with that
and
there are limitations because of the
fact that the district hasn't had a
disparity study so you can't set goals
that's just the legal fact
and so when you um
go out to bid work
as on the ip work
it's there is no mandate so in some
senses you could say
achieving nine percent
on that work is pretty good now the goal
though is 18 so it's not good enough
um once we get into the cmgc work there
is more flexibility on the part of
those cmgcs in
working with
smaller businesses minority women-owned
esbs
so and we've seen greater success
in cmgc work than in
bid work so we're hopeful that we know
both of the contractors
well
and they have good histories with that
community so
and they understand it's important to us
and important right to you that's great
tonight
just as a quick follow-up oh yeah i
think mr fontenot apologize
yes we're we hope that we do indeed see
that um
but the the
one of the tough things is that as long
as it remains a goal
it's aspirational
you know we hit it okay you know you are
a contractor
a consultant you're going for work
and when it's a requirement
you meet the requirement or you don't
get the work right
as long as it's a goal it's aspirational
so you'll do your very best
especially explaining why you did not
achieve the goal if you don't achieve it
and you get the work and you go on to
the next one
so it would help
as you all know if it one day it does
indeed become a requirement instead of a
goal because i think it'll that'll help
nudge some people towards that that
finish line of of ultimately being more
inclusive with these contracts so is
that an action that we can take as a
board
um
my understanding is that it's a it's
illegal there's a legal prohibition for
the board taking that action absent a
disparity study
i'm not a lawyer in that area but that's
what i've observed elsewhere this will
be a surprise i'm not either um
i will say um
well two more things one is that i i
will probably not be one of the people
suggesting that nine percent is a good
um a good number
um and there's also one piece that for
from my perspective i have sort of a
philosophical leaning and
that philosophical leaning is that for
uh decades uh public entities have
invested
uh billions of dollars in our community
here in
building the capacity in the
infrastructure of organizations of
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contractors to the point where they can
do things like when 80 percent of the
of the
bids that they put out for the city
because they have that capacity and and
everyone knows they do
what i think we can do as an
organization is say that
we're going to we're going to find a way
to build capacity of others
as well not that we have to
forget or or push aside other
contractors but that in fact we have 482
million dollars that can be invested in
building the infrastructure of mwesb's
and that's good
for
portland it's good for oregon it's good
for
the the
catchment area of portland public
schools so that's
sort of my philosophical and i'm not
saying that that's any different than
anyone else's but that's my my
philosophy and i think they're
to some extent i think we have that same
obligation of building infrastructure
within our our community to uh
to hire and to um
to do the work that that will make us
more competitive in the future so
thank you well said
other groups
so i had one other quick question on the
front page you say we are pleased to
hear the state has awarded a 1.3 million
dollar seismic rehabilitation grant to
franklin to augment the planned seismic
improvements and that some will be added
to the project budget so
my question was how did that come about
who should we be
and
what will that allow us to do
that we weren't able to do before
jim i'm going to take that
i get the second question while you are
up here
pps
has participated in
the seismic reputation grant program
initiatives for the last several years
you may recall early in the bond
programs i believe i'm saying that but
in 2013 we had an srgp grant
1.5 million for alameda
what it allows us to do is to
increase the level of seismic
improvement to a higher standard than we
might otherwise accomplish
so we compete competitively
with other school districts and public
agencies
for this work
this round of srgp we actually
submitted four applications and the one
that was successful based on a number of
active factors least of which we have an
active bond and we can leverage our
dollars more effectively but we were
able to demonstrate that the franklin
project because of the character of the
historic main facility would benefit
from doing
a full seismic rehabilitation so we took
advantage of that um frankly and have
been able to use that to to our
advantage okay so it's a great
opportunity
the state does are the people to thank
for it and
it used to be office of emergency
management now it's a different group
but they they run these and they'll
continue so pps will continue to
uh participate
in the process that's great thank you so
i'll just chime in maybe with a
follow-up on that so in terms of our
other buildings though roosevelt in
particular will have parity in terms of
what we can provide in terms of seismic
improvements
so the this this bond program has us
doing incremental seismic improvements
at a number of our schools and as we do
our roof tear-offs and replacements
we're doing seismic improvement right
now we're not able to do it at the same
level that these srgp srgp grants allow
us to do and because we weren't
successful at the others we're using
this at
we're using this at franklin
but we would uh we'll continue with our
plan to do the seismic improvements uh
per the bond measure well i mean i meant
in particular at the other high schools
i mean where we're doing the full
modernization versus just the roof we're
doing the full seismic rehabilitation
with or without the grants i think folks
listening to this might think that
franklin was going to get a higher level
of safety in terms of seismic upgrades
okay that's a great clarification though
different level of safety
we're taking advantage of a program that
allowed us to to augment our budget okay
other schools though they're being fully
modernized we'll have the full seismic
rehabilitation system all right thanks
for clarifying and congratulations on
getting that spending i mean i guess i
just would weigh in in terms of the dag
composition piece i mean i get i totally
get that we have many other avenues for
teachers to weigh in but i guess from my
perspective it would make sense to have
at least one teacher on the dag i don't
know why we wouldn't so just putting
that out there is my two cents it just
seems like it just stirs up
questions of why isn't there a
representative for teachers if there are
from other folks as well
so that makes sense to me
and then in terms of the
testimony we heard earlier i mean i
appreciate very much that you're
listening to that and looking at
expanding somewhat your scope but i
guess from my perspective what i recall
is that this committee was specifically
charged around
the composition was made up in terms of
your expertise
as
industry experts and professionals in
the field so that you really whenever
this group was never intended to be a
broad community stakeholder group as i
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recall it was really
oversight from that fiscal construction
expertise perspective i just wanted to
confirm my recollection of what kind of
what your charge was well i think
co-chair atkins i think you are
generally correct that's and that has
been our focus schedule budget scope
have been really the key elements and as
you kick off a program like this it kind
of has to be
but i think the charter did list
um i think ted's right they did list
other items from the long-range facility
plan and so we we do feel obliged to
look at those and to see and to make
sure they're not forgotten in the um as
the bond moves forward yeah i know
that's terrific
yeah
no that's all i had okay other than
thanking you as always for all your work
and dedication we really appreciate it i
just wanted to highlight that i know
one of those is the sustainability
of the materials and i know that we're
too early in that process as we're
getting
maximum price right now
but after all that value engineering
i'll be really curious to hear your
because i know one of our plans was to
say let's not
save early and then spend later in the
in the long term of our systems let's
get quality materials as much as we can
and i know that it's always a balance
as you try to get the price within
within the budget but so i will be
interested in that so i just t that is
something that i'd appreciate that's
that's on our list yeah absolutely all
right thank you very much accountability
committee thanks for being here tonight
so jim gets to stay here because we're
now going to segue into the quarterly
update on our capital improvement bond
from jim owens
and others
and friends
thank you co-chair atkins and thank you
again for the opportunity to present
osm's quarterly update on our bond
program
i would like to begin by also thanking
the bond accountability committee for
their report tonight
we work very closely with
the team and we have seven
community volunteers who participate and
they do bring to
the table expertise in public finance
construction and a really broad
perspective that really helps
to provide that level of community
oversight and that community perspective
into their work so we're really pleased
to have such a such a wonderful team
there
i think the report is also an excellent
reflection of the program status
will allow me to avoid going into the
details of the balance scorecard because
they really hit the high points i'm
going to hit a few as well before we get
into
the main theme tonight on makerspace
but also
i think that the material that we
provide on a regular basis is very much
aligned with their review
very much consistent with a charter and
as you know as a board appointed
committee they are reporting to you
based on those those charter components
that they have
i also think that it continues to be the
proper level of community
oversight our design advisory groups by
contrast or committees that are intended
to provide specific input to specific
projects so there's a different
character of the groups and i know
sometimes there's a tendency to think
that the one accountability committee
and the design advisor groups are have
similar charge but but they don't
they're very very different charge
in your board packages tonight is the
january update of the balanced scorecard
and again not going to go through that
in detail but it certainly provides a
good summary of where we are as of the
end of january
and we'll continue to report to you
across the different perspectives of
budget schedule stakeholder and equity
many of the comments that were made by
the bac certainly resonate with staff
and we're working very diligently
on addressing those
i failed to mention that i'm joined
tonight by john wilhelmi who is our
office of school modernization education
liaison and he's going to be presenting
a topic that's very important to us on
makerspace so really want to reserve the
time for john to go through that
but what i'd like to do is highlight the
next page
highlight the
really some of the main items i'd like
to leave you with tonight
certainly echoing the vac's report kevin
and lewis's
summary program is in the green we
remain on time on budget and visible to
the community those are three metric
areas that we're paying a lot of
attention to
and the visible to the community is
manifested in many ways at least of
which is our
our very excellent bond website but also
a number of community engagements that
occur
a number of forums where we spend time
conveying to the public what these what
these dollars are producing for us as a
as a school district
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the high schools as has been mentioned
are rapidly moving
through the completion of design phase
and believe it or not we're planning uh
groundbreaking ceremonies for early may
so work there is about to get started
there are a lot of major activities that
staff is working on to
be ready for that uh certainly the
uh negotiation of the guaranteed maximum
price for both the
franklin and roosevelt project is
commanding a huge amount of time from
the teams right now
but very confident that we're going to
land on a gmp value that is consistent
with our budget expectations provides
adequate contingency as we begin
construction phase and will allow us to
complete these very complex historic
rehabilitation projects
on time and on budget
we also provided in your packet
a detailed construction phasing plan for
roosevelt high school i know there's a
lot of interest in terms of how we're
going to move a thousand kids from
building to building over a two-year
period and i'm not planning to go into
that in detail tonight but if there are
questions about it it was primarily
intended to lay out some of the
expectations we have and for the
building level leadership to be able to
plan around how their
how they're phasing the work so that the
teaching and learning activities
continue
with minimal disruption and i would be
the first to point out that in doing
work of this magnitude there will be
some but we're working very hard to to
minimize that and it's a real credit to
the to the full team including our
consultants and our builders to ensure
that that happens
our summer work continues to proceed
again the
work for this summer we've got seven
major construction solicitations that
are about to go out and that's going to
represent another significant
undertaking we've got 28 schools that
we're planning to make improvements at
this summer which is very significant
and we
are very optimistic that that will go
well
the completion of the elevators at the
three schools james john osford and
beech are very much on track and we're
planning a
celebration of sorts at james john in
early march to reflect uh our ability to
complete this work and
to be able to turn that over to uh to
the school for four years it's really
providing opportunities for
for kids to have access to spaces and
programs that they haven't previously
had the same access to
and then lastly would like to
highlight that we have begun work on
ip16 our summer 2016 improvement work
we're
about to go out we actually have just
issued a request for proposal
for one or two architects to take on the
design of that work and as part of our
lesson starting this summer work as
early as possible really benefits it
benefits us
in your packets i think you received
earlier the selection criteria that was
used for ip16 and it was very similar to
the same criteria that we use for
for ip15 around ruth condition around
seismic and around combined underserved
so it's very much in line with the way
we've been approaching selection of the
school sites to improve over the summer
and then the last comment i'd like to
make is
the construction market continues to
evolve as we come further out of
recession we're seeing construction
costs increasing and so we're anxious to
see
as a result of these
seven
bid
contracts to see where we're going to
land on that so we're paying attention
to that we have a number of other school
districts that are now actively engaged
in their own bond programs and so it's
really putting a strain on the on the
contractor community so it's an area
that we'll continue to monitor and we'll
be sharing some of our perspective with
you on that
so at this time i'd like to
turn it over to john who will highlight
a really important topic around the
maker space
then we'd like to close with a short
video
around franklin high school which i
think you'll enjoy that will highlight
the work that's been done that we're
planning to do there and at the
completion of that we'd like to invite
any questions you might have
good job great thank you thank you jim
uh co-chair
is this on i've got my i'm at the mercy
of my soft voice here i guess we all are
uh i'll try and be loud
so co-chairs atkins and noel
superintendent smith directors and
student representative good evening
again i'm john wilhelmi education
liaison and i've been asked to provide
you with an update of our maker spaces
as a prelude i want to remind the board
of the many new learning spaces in our
modernized schools
gone is the notion of the central
hallway flanked by classrooms on both
sides
and new to the modernized schools will
be greater common spaces and what we are
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calling flex spaces brain bars as well
as maker spaces
so think of our modernized schools as
now having the option and flexibility
to extend the classroom learning
experience to throughout the entire
school
allowing for learning that is more
applied hands-on
project-based learning by doing
on the screen is a photograph
of a commons area at razbeck aviation
high school in seattle rayzbek was
designed by bassetti architects the same
firm working on roosevelt
as you can see soft seating allows this
common space to be a learning area where
students can gather and collaborate
throughout the day
our modernized schools including
franklin
roosevelt grant and fabian will have
commons areas
another learning space we're calling
flexspace
flexspace as seen here at high tech high
international school in san diego
allows
for learning immediately outside the
classroom
transparency seen in the form of glass
windows and low-lying walls allows for
both supervision of the flex space and
to help inspire students
as to the learning opportunities and
goings-on throughout the school both
inside and outside the traditional
classroom
here's a flex space at raisvac high note
the right
hand wall is a dry erase board
there's a classroom in the distance as
well as another classroom traditional
classroom behind where this photograph
was taken
a brain bar
also seen here at ray's back
is a counter with stools or not
and ample connectivity and charging
stations for students myriad electronic
devices
we're seeing this kind of thing this
concept implemented in many of our
nation's airports
so to make your spaces what is
makerspace
uh this photograph is of adx in portland
a large makerspace which is open to the
public it charges adx charges a usage
fee
on their website they state adx is a
collaborative maker space where
individuals and organizations make and
learn by sharing tools knowledge and
experience
in the following few slides you will see
that maker spaces take many forms
it's important to note that maker spaces
vary in many ways
including the size of the space
the amount type sophistication of
equipment
the types of things that can be made in
the space
portability and flexibility of the space
that is
are the furniture fixtures and equipment
movable or not
maker spaces vary on availability uh
when and who can use the space and
and they vary by uh supervision
who's ensuring safety of the space
and they can vary by budget personnel
equipment maintenance and materials
but first
a quick little bit of history
if there's a founder to the current
makerspace movement
it's probably dale doherty pictured in
the upper left
he's the founder of make magazine which
was founded in january of 2005 about 10
years old
and you can see the make brand with the
black red and light blue lettering
besides make magazine
dougherty produces maker faire and maker
shed
a maker faire was held at the white
house last year last september a mini
maker faire was held outside omsi in
portland
here's a maker space in new york just
some tables set out at the new york hall
of science with some materials available
for people to tinker with
common in my research are maker spaces
on maker spaces of the number of
libraries cordoning off space as maker
space as seen here in at the library in
detroit
also in detroit these students are
taking things apart
reverse engineering is a key component
to design and learning how things are
made
this maker space in san francisco is
more equipment intensive
as is the atx co-op hacker space in
austin texas lots of stuff
maker spaces are international
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note the spaciousness of this maker
space in chile
maker spaces can combine workspace with
soft seating to encourage collaboration
as seen here in france
here's an outdoor makerspace
in togo with just a couple tables
and these women at this maker space in
cairo are learning how to solder
the next few slides will help illustrate
the many uses of maker space maker
spaces can have a heavy emphasis on a
particular area of focus such as woods
or metals
or maker spaces can accommodate many
areas of focus such as
textiles
electronic circuits robotics
or science
on the left is an arduino computer with
instrumentation to measure the soil
and on the right is a protein structure
made with a 3d printer
another possible field of focus in a
makerspace is engineering
and as far as equipment
some of the more high-end equipment in
maker spaces include 3d printers laser
cutters
or cnc cutters
allowing for both additive and reductive
projects
so
makerspaces in schools
here is a before floor plan of is in a
series of photographs
of the woods and auto shop
complex at eugene's churchill high
school
churchill modernized this complex into a
stem facility in the spring of 2013
seen in this slide
so we went from auto shop wood shop
to environmental studio stem studio
workshop
and conference room
this is a photograph
of the
stem workshop area seen in the middle of
this slide right here the workshop area
if we zoom down this is what we're
looking at
note the lack of equipment and high
degree of portability
note the lifting door sound mitigation
panels on the wall
the students are using the space not
only to build but to conduct experiments
the students are moving catapults in
this picture where they'll test what
they've learned about force and
trajectory in their physics class
another another note that churchill has
adopted for a spacious highly flexible
stem workshop where both
making an experimentation can take place
depending on need
most of the furnishings are on wheels
permanent fixtures such as counters are
minimal and set to the side
secure storage rooms occupy the corner
of the workshop
and as for usage this workshop sits
between the two stem studios
so on my visit this past fall the studio
is comprised of physics class on one
side
and a math class on the other
most of the usage of the workshop or
this makerspace was by students enrolled
in the adjacent classes
so the current plan for pps maker spaces
is to actually promote a wider usage
than
than the
churchill usage
the otl vision
is to pilot maker spaces at our
modernized high schools that are
available to all students all day across
the entire school
either in the form of whole classes
using the space
small groups using the space or
individual students using the
space so like media centers or computer
labs of today
maker spaces will be on available on a
sign up basis
so no courses will be scheduled into the
maker spaces per se
during the school day
they're not going to be encumbered with
courses
envision are
students working on projects from many
disciplines from stem courses to
language arts social studies to world
language and arts and beyond
so we're really talking about wide usage
of the maker space
to encourage
maximum usage otl will be proposing that
our maker spaces be staffed
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full time in addition otl will work to
offer pd to teachers
of all disciplines on ways to use the
makerspace
otl is currently working with project
directors in the procurement of fixtures
furniture and equipment of our maker
spaces and the maker spaces will be
a minimum where they've set a minimum of
1200 square feet
for the maker spaces
i'm hitting the wrong button here in
just a second there were oops and
johnny's interrupt otl stands for office
of teaching and learning
otl office of teaching and learning i'm
sorry
and so the
the current vision for the maker spaces
is as
stated on the screen
and with that i'm going to turn it over
to jim and i believe that we have a
video
coming up okay thank you john and what
we'd like to do is key up the video of
franklin
and it's just a short five minute
videos
it's
possibly i think the best high school
experience i could have gotten because
it really pushes you like it doesn't
just let you settle for whatever like
it's a school that brings you in and
says if you really want to try and do
something with your education
here's your chance we have lots of
classes we have multiple art classes
which is very nice and the electives the
electives are my favorite best part
about franklin is just
the sense of community like i've i came
in here with one friend and we
my idea was i'm just going to play
football get my grades get a scholarship
and just leave but within like a couple
weeks i made some friends by like
halfway through the year i had like a
family
it's really
sort of beautiful when a building and a
site tell a story and this building
and franklin high school has told an
amazing story for the past hundred years
and um we feel incredibly fortunate to
to help
begin to craft that story for the next
hundred years the whole idea of the
openness of the building and the
welcomingness of the building and for
people to walk into this new facility
and to be able to see the teachers doing
the great things that they do to see the
kids engaged and enjoying their
education
that's what's really exciting is that
we're honoring what has been but we're
showing people what can be one of the
things that's really great about these
projects is it engages the community in
really sort of meaningful conversations
about what they want from their
community and for their community being
a student voice was really cool because
we got to talk to different kinds of
students and see like what what is
actually important to you and what do
you not care about we did a workshop
where you got different like little
pieces of a room and you designed the
entire inside of the building and it was
like
i think that one that we made was
relatively close and i remember like
they all ended up at our table and they
were like wow and we were like yeah
it made sense because we're the students
we're the ones who are in the building
they were listening to what our
community wanted and what people wanted
to have in this new building
and
they would discuss it and tell them what
was probable what wasn't so they'd go
back sketch it bring it back for a next
meeting
and they really tried to accommodate
people and i i really feel they did i
think they did a beautiful job
one of the key features of the site
design actually is to turn the field 90
degrees what that also allowed us to do
is to locate the
athletics and biomedical facility
directly adjacent to the fields
i like the arts center on the corner i
like the way in which it will welcome
people into the school from that
direction there really is kind of that
that beacon to the community that speaks
to both the fine and performing arts
that starts to act as the portal for the
community to come into the school
that's actually one of the pieces that i
think i'm most excited about we're
actually keeping the shell of the space
including all of the interior
detailing and converting it into
essentially a two-story media center
library space
still keeping the proscenium opening and
we have a law constitution classroom and
a digital media and journalism classroom
that will occupy those spaces
to kind of still put that work on
display
we're building an environment
that will make a day at school a
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pleasure
and to have that
that kind of energy that kind of
happiness that kind of daylight
in your daily experience i think it's
going to make a remarkable difference
and i think the new school like the
whole school door is open like kids are
just going to be coming in there knowing
that they're going to step in and find
someone who can help them with what they
need and i think that's just such a good
message to get across it's extremely
exciting when you know you've got one of
the best staffs in the world and then to
turn around and give them all the tools
they need and then to know that you've
got the best kids in the world and to
see those teachers and kids put it
together and how far they're going to go
that's what's exciting
and if a community
a community of educators a community of
students of parents can walk in and say
this is what we talked about this is
better than what we talked about then we
know we got it right it will finally
have like the resources to back all the
amazing things we can do and with like
what we have now what do we have now
we're already doing so much i can i can
hardly imagine what we can do with more
we're not even started building but i
already feel gratified in knowing that
we have gotten past like so many steps
and we only have a few more to go and
they're going to be some of the hardest
but they're also going to be really
really rewarding
all right hey at this time i'd like to
entertain any questions that the board
may have thanks so much
questions comments
yeah a couple of quick comments one is
the in the in the photos of the maker
space and i appreciate that because i
put some
um i was gonna say put some parameters
around things but in fact it actually
expands those quite a bit and what that
what that means
and what it possibly can mean uh so one
of the things that i noticed the most
about which is exciting is the light
and the use of natural light in space
and how important that is and how
that wasn't necessarily there wasn't
necessarily the same understanding of
the importance of that natural light in
1911
as perhaps we have right now
the second thing and and i think some of
your comments begin to address this in
terms of uh
education and training and professional
development but when i look at
um
space particularly maker space
i think about
what it takes to
deliver a curriculum manage a class
manage the actual space that isn't a
x feet by x feet box
and wonder how prepared
uh our educators need to be
as that new space is created so you know
i don't know if this is a question
for you all or if it's a question for
the superintendent or others how we're
going to prepare our our faculty our
teachers to actually um provide the
the kind of
education that's needed for these spaces
right
i teed this up a little bit because
office of teaching and learning is
actually addressing these very issues
because
we want this to be a success we want
wide usage and we really want students
to be inspired and
a lot of that
is
staff being inspired in the space as
well
i was for many years a teacher
and so as i put this slide show together
i couldn't help but wonder how would i
as a former social studies teacher by
the way two of my former students are in
this in this auditorium right now
i
couldn't help but wonder how as a social
studies teacher would i use a maker
space and the more i did this the more i
got to got pretty charged about
it would be really cool either you know
i'm not just so sure the entire class
but sending groups down to a maker space
to actually uh construct a project
that's parallel with something that
we're studying in
in world cultures would be just a
phenomenal experience and so
i would need to feel empowered to be
able to do that i would need to know
what the equipment is i need to know
the usage of the equipment what kinds of
projects avail themselves to my
discipline
and i just envision this sort of like
cooking over time we've assembled myriad
ways to cook and cookbooks and recipes
we will do the same with projects in all
disciplines in maker spaces i think the
i just think the opportunity
is like you said uh earlier director
morton is just wide open
and we would be remiss if we didn't
recognize we have a number of educator
leaders in the audience who have been
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very very actively involved in
collaborating with our teams and
configuring these spaces and looking at
all the possibilities so we're really
pleased office school performance office
of teaching and learning office of
college and career readiness they've all
been playing a very active role in this
work and it's been a great effort
others
director
so there was one comment that was made
that just keeps sticking in my mind and
i'm trying to wrap my head around it
which is that maker space
maker spaces won't be scheduled for
actual classes
and that seems like a really
broad
statement to make at this point and i'm
i'm having trouble getting my head
around that why wouldn't we schedule
actual classes in the maker space
we're looking at maker spaces
like we
look at computer labs or a library or
media center
certainly a class can be there
but i'm not denied access to a library
because a course is in there all fourth
period for the entire semester
so what we're trying to do is we're
trying to we're certainly going to have
cte space in our schools
we'll have dynamic courses in those
spaces but the maker set space itself
we want on a sign up basis
is does that make
so you're looking at maker space
separate from cte
space
um
sort of
correct
what you're saying is it'll be dedicated
cte classrooms
but the makerspace
okay so back to churchill uh if you
think of churchill on each side of that
space that we saw in the photographs
classrooms were classrooms and they
could be considered cte or think of a
cte classroom going on either side of it
and it might be that the cte class is
fully appropriate that they sign up to
use the space for part of the time
but what we're also saying is we want
that space available to other
disciplines throughout throughout the
entire day
for the entire semester
okay
dr buell
so you're saying that the cte class
would have their own classroom
correct and then in their classroom
they'd have their ct would they have the
same
ct materials in their classroom machines
and so forth right so director viewers i
mean they would have them in their own
class right so franklin is uh
franklin has a
metal shop in a
wood shop in the new design
and then there's 1200 square feet
adjacent to that that would be the maker
space at the franklin side so the cte
courses would be in the other two spaces
that third independent maker space would
be on a sign up basis what kind of
ct courses are we envisioning
in those
classrooms
that would have
activities within those classrooms
appropriate to the cte meaning that they
have access to the machine the machines
and so forth what kind of what would be
an example of some ct classrooms that
would or programs that would be in those
classrooms
that would uh then
how would you then
you would then move into the
makerspace for certain parts of your
thing because they have more carry more
materials are you
balancing the uh materials in the uh
lack of a better word machinery
i mean
i i'm having trouble getting my head
around it too
i i'm also having trouble getting around
to maker space social studies
being a social studies teacher
right did you ever come up with anything
that you thought were you know you know
that
well you could use the makerspace for
your social studies stuff
can you come up with a you know and give
you an example
yeah why did you come up with that man
let's let mr wilhelmy answer how about
that
so let me uh let me um
let me read you this
so
one of the photographs uh that we showed
you was high tech high high tech high
international school in san diego
so consider a recent ninth grade
assignment on the rise and fall of
populations
humanities teachers mike strong and
physics and engineering teacher scott
swayley told a group of 50 freshmen
to build a six-foot diameter geared
wheel out of wood and come up with come
up with a theory
about why and how civilizations rise and
fall based on their readings and
research on the mains romans and greeks
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why and how civilizations rise and fall
based on the readings of the mans the
romans and the greeks
and so their project was to come up with
this
wheel
and they
and they built it
in their in their uh
their shop space at international here
at the high tech high
so the makerspace would have the
materials in there and uh machine
reading right machinery and materials
correct
any other questions or comments
all right thank you very much look
forward to future updates as we go it's
very exciting
thank you thank you
yay
all right so at our january 27th meeting
the board voted to approve amendment
number two to the
2014-15 budget
as part of that approval we asked the
superintendent to develop a plan for
additional investment to improve
outcomes for our students so i'd like to
ask superintendent smith to introduce
this item
i will and i'm going to wait for just a
second to get teed up
you guys received materials
over the weekend and the powerpoint is
really more for me to be able to tell
the story to the audience of the detail
you have in your packets
and as director yeah i have the clicker
and as director atkins just said um
uh
i'm gonna do a bit of a background um
at two two board meetings ago or
you approved amendment number two to the
2014-15 budget
back in september when we reviewed the
beginning fund balance
we added school staff
we did spending plans in support of the
three priorities so third grade reading
reducing
exclusionary discipline and reducing the
disproportionality in exclusionary
discipline and increasing our graduation
rate we also made some one-time
investments and there was a lot of
discussion on the board about what level
of unassigned contingency you felt
comfortable with and at that point it
was you wanted to retain an unassigned
contingency of 4.5 percent and i bring
you back to that because that's the
moment you established that's the level
that you felt comfortable with
earlier this month when we did our fall
balancing
we reviewed that we had higher local
option revenue we had lower expenditures
and it increased our unassigned
contingency to seven percent at that
point the board directed me to come back
with
optional spending plans um to address
immediate needs in our schools
um with the idea that you were still
comfortable with holding 4.5 in reserve
and one of
with that was the check the charge um
and the uh with also the idea that you
wanted a survey of school-based staff to
understand what they considered to be
immediate need so that was the charge uh
and then along with a number of ideas
that board members had about what those
potential
investments could be
the survey and we surveyed roughly 5 000
people we had a 40
response rate which is really amazing on
that short turnaround yep
the three highest rated things
identified by our school-based staff
technology upgrades and we had a number
of different categories of technology
upgrades
school safety improvements
and increasing schools discretionary
budgets
we also had
summer programming
library books and musical instruments
and we continued professional
development was one of the ones that was
listed
and actually a pretty narrow range
between all of the ones that people
identified and then we had a long list
of
like in my dream world these are the
other things i'd want the things we did
not do so we had people made suggestions
for things that were ongoing expenses
like increasing in staff we specifically
did not do those
those would be things we'll consider as
part of the next year's budget so we
were looking for one-time investments in
this particular
survey
okay so i'm going to walk you through
through two different spending plans and
then show you the relationship to
contingency and then i'll leave you on a
slide that shows you both um
uh and just you're kind of evaluating
the level of spending and the level of
contingency that you feel comfortable
with
so spending plan a
had us investing
4.2 million dollars in technology
support for teachers and students
770 000 in school safety improvements
750 000
in credit recovery and summer school for
students for this summer and i'm going
to remind you that we did this this past
year where we
supported high schools identifying
students who are close to graduate close
to graduating that would benefit from us
being able to say we'll support you
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doing your summer school credit recovery
and we had a number of students who were
able to graduate this year specifically
because of that investment so a good one
1.3 in library books musical instruments
and pe equipment
and specifically in the library works we
were looking at
both weeding and culling and then
investing in cultural specific
collections
musical instruments in and hang on i'm
going to tell you the number of schools
because it's
49 schools
a number of training and professional
development opportunities
that include
avid training and i'm going to say avid
in our middle schools
we have avid currently in two of our
middle schools this would add it to all
of our middle schools
and we have avid in three high schools
it would add another three high schools
um
and it would allow us to leverage
private investments from
two private investors who would support
the training so this is a a whole
package that lets us expand what's been
a successful practice
it also adds a dyslexia training for
elementary school teachers
that during the summer and beyond
diversity training for new teachers who
have been on the waiting list
and that we could offer it to during the
summer
and then finally the last item here
is a significant one it's 3.7 million
dollars that would be earmarked over the
next three years
to specifically add
intensive staff support
in our focus and priority schools
so this recommendation as a teacher and
an educational assistant in four focus
and priority schools this year and five
additional focus and priority schools in
year two
and then all of them in year three
um that would add support additional
just intensive work on early literacy
but it's it's staff added to the schools
in the schools in order to get them out
of focus and priority status so that's
what what the last one is for so the
total used in this particular spending
plan 12.1 million dollars which leaves
you with 4.5
still held in reserves okay i'm gonna
walk you through all of this before we
do questions just so you get the whole
framework that we're looking at here
if you want to open the door for that
great i'm just thinking let me get all
the way through and then let's do it
yeah
spending plan b
is still the technology support for
teachers and students
although at a little
lower level so you see we've cut that
back a bit
the school safety improvements at 770
000 credit recovery and summer school
the library books musical instruments
and pe equipment
training and professional development
same package the cte expansion oops i
don't think i did that one month so the
ct expansion also is cut in half on um
on plan two cte expansion is high school
specific it's allowing high schools to
continue last year we we added a staff
person and forty thousand dollars per
high school to invest in equipment to be
building another program of study this
would be a contin continued investment
in high schools being able to build
their cte offerings which could be used
for equipment it could be used for
training we've had schools like madison
that did project lead the way
which is a
training for a curriculum and being part
of a national curriculum but you send
your teacher for two weeks of intensive
training where they literally go through
the whole program in two weeks over the
summer but it's very lab intensive
equipment intensive it would allow it
could potentially allow a school to do
that
with anyway numbers the different high
schools would have discretion over how
they used it
total unspending plan b 7.2 million
dollars which would leave you 5.5
in contingency so those are your two
um
two levels of potential investment
the risks that are that you know but the
ones that you would be holding
contingency to potentially mitigate
um the first one it would be the risk of
the
not reaching the current service level
budget
in the state budgeting process which
we've identified as 7.5 billion for the
biennium
uh the state um
the co-chairs budget right at this point
is 7.235 billion
if in fact we do not move beyond that
that gap so the potential gap there 10.4
million dollars
we're including um the cost of full
decay and if the per if the
kicker kicks as being part of that same
risk factor so we didn't add in new
dollar amounts but any one of those
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things could be a part of why we don't
get to the 7.5 billion
and in which case we would want to still
offer full decay so we wouldn't want to
be in the position we can't do full
decay
and we'd want to hold current service
level so you'd want to be able to
mitigate
the second potential risk is the 1314
state school fund reconciliation so
looking backwards where they'll
reconcile for
property taxes actually collected
and our estimate of what our
dollar amount could be there is 3.5
million dollars so your total risk
factors of which all may happen of which
none may happen so again you're trying
to weigh what's your sweet spot of
investment now and what do you hold
for contingency but the total there is
13.9
okay
so if you do a little summary to help
you think about this
your all of your green boxes there would
be split spending plan a so it gives you
your technology your school safety
credit recovery summer school library
instruments pe professional development
ct expansion folk and the focus and
priority school investment and then you
go on over into the uncommitted
unassigned contingency column and you
see it also includes holding 4.5 in
reserve
your other plan would be the blue boxes
which is lists all your investments
there in spending plan b and then you go
left over into the
you would that lets you hold 5.5 in
reserve
now the critical factors here if in fact
you have to go
on spending plan a
you are then mitigating for that full
menu of risk factors
and unfortunately that's hard to read
the black there but it takes you down to
1.8
left in reserve once you've mitigated
for those risk factors which is below
what your goal is so we've it's the
three percent is the board's goal
for what you hold in reserve this is
what you hold a reserve for so you
you would need to
test your own willingness to if in fact
we invest that deeply right now
are you also going to feel comfortable
taking us down to 1.8 in reserve
spending plan b
has you
investing all the blue squares and then
going down into
the whatever color that is
maroony
light maroon
whatever it is
but it would take you down to 2.7
and reserve if you invested yeah if you
held yourself at the 5.5 and then all
those factors actually occurred you'd be
down at the 2.7
so
your conversation tonight is largely
identifying where is that
where's your comfort zone of immediate i
think we got great feedback from
teachers and and principals and school
staff and we did do all school-based
staff in terms of what people felt were
priorities
and i think you've got some good
potential spending plans and you're
really identifying what your comfort
level of what happens right now
thank you
okay so before we get into our questions
and discussions when i get this on the
table at first we need to ask ms houston
is there any public comment on the
resolution related to this i have one
margie brown okay great welcome come on
down
margie i know you've been here before so
i don't need to repeat the
the guidelines thanks so much for being
here and as always for sitting through
every single meeting all those who do
that are very welcome
okay
co-chairs
at kensin knowles and superintendent
smith and board members i was
interested to see what your choices are
and so you have to recognize i wrote
this before i saw what the plan was but
i think it still
pertains
with the opportunity for additional
resources to support portland public
schools there are many good ideas on how
to spend those dollars
this past year you were able to add
significant number of teachers and i
hope you can continue to increase
teaching staff and their support in
order to lower class sizes
my concern is that the stable state
funding
is not yet guaranteed
and there is still the possibility of
the kicker kicking
additional funding may come with some
strings attached as well
it would be wise to put the kicker
receipts in a rainy day fund
and i hope you will maintain a
sufficient contingency fund
for our district
i appreciate that the superintendent's
plan for additional expenditures is
focused on improved outcomes for
students
i hope you will consider keeping to
limited significant one-time
expenditures
that will not impact future budget
choices
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thank you thank you very much
all right so the board will now consider
resolution 5018 plans for additional
expenditures and the 2014-15 budget for
school district number 1j multnomah
county oregon do i have a motion so
moved
director regan moves and
second
second and director morton seconds the
motion to adopt resolution number five
zero and eight any board discussion on
this resolution
can i add one more detail yes ma'am
um so one of the things that was listed
that we
that board never suggested and that got
response
from school-based staff was adding to
the consolidated budgets or the
discretionary funds of each school
that also came as a recommendation from
the workload committee and they gave us
an allocation methodology that we're
still working on but it's been approved
that we would actually increase um
that's like a three hundred thousand
dollar dollar amount that would go to
increasing consolidated budgets for
individual schools so clarifying would
that be part of your spending plan that
is not part of this because we had it
over it because it came through the
workload committee so okay by this
proposal so like you could amend that
but that's what this proposal is i just
wanted you to know that we
it was also got surfaced so are we
adding 300 000 to each one of these
coming out of the million dollars
already allocated
that the workload committee makes
recommendations to and that we then are
proving and that just to say approved
great
okay
so director curley yes claire plank
question yeah which is uh when i look at
the resolution essentially what we're
doing tonight is
figuring out what contingency
that the board
is exactly and yeah and we'll have a lot
of questions i'm sure
about potential spending plans but their
potential we're not voting on them
yeah i think help thank you for that
qualification archipelago set up friend
we are you excited exactly right we are
voting tonight on the contingency level
and then the superintendent this is her
plan that she's presented to us but she
is going to go forth and implement that
so i'm sure she'll be glad to hear
various if you know people have
different thoughts or opinions but
really she's we're going to direct her
with this um how much to spend and she
is going to go forth and make the
decision of how specifically to spend it
that's my understanding
okay i'm telling you the plan right here
what you asked me to do is come back
with a plan right and we actually had
this conversation because i asked this
question of was i bringing you back a
plan and then
were we
waiting to vote on it or did you want to
vote on that same moment and the
what i got at the last meeting was you
wanted to be able to do it immediately
so you could release funds immediately
into schools but so that was how we came
back with it but clearly right so again
the decision before us is on the
resolution and the wording of the
resolution in terms of
the 4.5 versus 5.5
exactly
okay
and again if board members have other
suggestions they want to share with the
superintendent that's great in addition
to the feedback she's gotten but that's
not what we're looking for okay
director knowles
question yes um carol the i'm looking at
the k three literacy rti support for
focus for the private school that's the
3.7 uh million and my question for that
is that is that all in this year between
now june or july it would be earmarking
that total amount to be spent over three
years so it basically encumbers it now
since we have it as a block
a block amount but it says what we're
going to do is we're going to provide a
wholly different level so our focus and
priority schools have gotten different
levels of investment from the state
that's declined as time has gone on this
allows us to give a level of intensity
that we're essentially saying these
schools need to get out of focus and
priority status with the focus on early
literacy but it's putting instructional
support at the school and eas so
and earmarking it to be spent over three
years well so my question and that is um
our question to go along with that is
how much would we actually be spending
in this year and isn't the balance of
that something that we should have a
discussion about or at least we could
agree that we're going to do this but
that money comes out of the next budget
not out of
this money well
that's my question so the proposal is
yes you could reduce so we have in this
one picking four schools that we do
between here and the end of this year um
and then building it up to the full
number of schools next year so you could
decide to do it end of this year and
just next year and reduce that amount
what we're basically proposing is
encumbering it now as an ongoing expense
that you now are restricting the dollars
so pre-committing pre-committee yeah but
so yes but could you structure it in the
way you're suggesting yes you can or or
alternatively we could not do this now
but you have this as sort of a
placeholder for discussion and in the
coming budget yes you could except that
if you did that you wouldn't do the four
schools then we wouldn't do the four
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schools right now so you could just do
the four schools right now
director one could you come up and do
that
david weinstein i'm not trying to
assistant cfo i'm just curious about it
yeah it's not that's calculated
the
the cost in to do what we were talking
about for this year is four hundred
thousand
and then the remaining money was the
cost to keep that going next year in the
year after and to add additional schools
next year and the year thereafter okay
thank you
other questions comments
uh director regan so just to
quickly follow up on that
my concern on that line item is that
what we really wanted to be looking at
is one-time funding and this clearly
isn't
and
if
my colleagues are interested in having
more of a reserve than 4.5 i'm not sure
why we would want to have those funds
encumbered
so i'm generally uncomfortable i
love the idea of us providing more
support but
what our goal was was to be using
one-time funds and
so i'm a little bit concerned with that
one i wanted to ask a question about the
consolidated budgets because first of
all i'm just so thrilled that our staff
responded
in such a big way to this and
i think that's a great message for us to
go out and do those kind of questions in
the future and it would also be fun at
some point to be able to do that with
students and ask them because it would
be interesting to see where they come
out on some of these
versus others but one of the areas
certainly that we heard you know great
support for was principals consolidated
budgets and increasing debt so um the
300 000
or so i believe is what we're talking
about from the teacher workload
committee is that the amount it was 300
000 for the work from the workload
committee
what
i'm trying to understand what that means
on a per principal or per school level
generally speaking is that a 10 increase
in their current consolidated budget is
that a 50 percent increase is it a
nothing i'm going to let david come on
up and answer can you we've been
we've been working on how would we like
how do you do this as an allocation
methodology so it's a six and a half
percent increase over the base funding
in consolidated budgets this year
which at a small k5 school
that increases about two thousand
dollars and at a large
high school it's about eleven thousand
dollars
so
my question would be
is that meaningful
to a principal because it doesn't feel
like that's very much money and when we
got this kind of a response there were
three principles on the workload
committee who when the email went out
proposing this we're very excited
that's three and actually
i mean maybe that's wonderful could i do
a piggyback on that maybe just in terms
of the concluding the context of what
the total amount is in general as well
as are we sure that
my understanding there might be some
variability in terms of what gets spent
i was going to say a spending plan and
spending patterns right
so the total amount the total base
funding for schools consolidated budgets
this year is about 4.5 million dollars
spread across all of the schools
um
and
that
so the smallest schools get about 30 000
and the largest schools get about 160
000.
um two-thirds of the schools do not
spend every single dollar
and carry over money into the following
year
now some of them get pretty close and
don't carry over a huge amount
and some of them
intentionally save the money for a
specific project so they will not spend
money one year
because they they need a certain larger
amount for a particular project so it
does vary
across schools in terms of how much of
that money they spend
so it seemed there would be a little bit
of a challenge then in terms of
providing more whether it's across the
board whether or not you've already used
it
or based on some other formula
so here's the um
this one no matter what amount of money
we put in people are going to be excited
about it and it carries over so um and
i'm also getting there there was another
proposal
or hope that the workload committee
would do this investment and that we
would match it i didn't understand this
hope at the point we were putting
together the proposal but i'm
understanding the hope now by looking in
my audience
there was a hope that's actually where i
was sort of going yeah well and it could
be like is that still an option like yes
and the dollars would carry over so like
if it's in the consolidated budget it's
the thing that gives a building
discretion to do stuff exactly and and
it lets you pay extended responsibility
for something or you know buy your
teachers time to have planning and
collaborating i mean it lets you do
things that have discretion so it's not
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use it or lose it and uh it's not lose
it or use it or lose it so you can
use it uh
so it's a particular
the 300 000 could come out of the
million dollars that we allocated so
here's what i'll say at the point we
were putting this plan together my
understanding was we had the proposal
coming forward from the workload
committee and that's where that one was
handling so it went off of this list
the hope that i'm getting is the um that
we would do the workload committee
investment and that we would also match
it out of this pot so like
any of those like there's there's moving
pieces and any amount we put here will
be like really utilized and
and felt in
in terms of school life it changes
what you have control over so yeah yeah
okay okay uh director weekend
oh i have a bunch of
um
so these numbers here
uh
when we spend down and we have uh
the worst case scenarios happen and
we're at one point eight or i can't
believe it there's one point i know yeah
yeah um but we're at the worst
um
that assumes
that we wouldn't be finding any other
revenue so this last year we found 28
close to 30 million
um
so is does that assume that we that we
wouldn't
be
having anything above
any revenue
it's it's it is let me phrase it
differently it's is it assuming that the
worst case scenarios happen in terms of
shortfalls but that no up case scenarios
happen in terms of increased revenue
that is correct okay
director bill i think you had your hand
up earlier did you have a comment
question
i have a uh
facebook page that's entitled steve
you'll come a portland school board
member i think i'm going to go home and
change it
to be titled the old fool
once again we've done
something exactly opposite of what i
assumed we were going to do which was to
sit down and figure out uh
come in with suggestions of money to
spend and we were going to choose
between those suggestions so obviously
that's not the case so i have some
questions on the things that we have in
the list
okay what are your questions
uh
the technology bundles
that are now out of date that we bought
in 2010 to 2012.
those are out of date now and what in a
year two years
what are we talking about i'm going to
ask josh
it says
it says
for students and i mean
i don't it makes a lot are we buying now
i'm sorry director billy referring to
which chart or which just
referring to the technology bundles i'm
working off the comments from the
superintendent on page on
these also include
more uh
mobile computer
labs so to speak
so the um
that's josh klein chief information
officer the the technology owned a
proposal for
2.9
million dollars is to replace
presentation stations basically that
teachers use in their classrooms and
those that equipment is out of date and
needs to be replaced at those 34
sites
so that's the
2010-2012 equipment is now out of date
what does it mean to be out of date are
they broken down you can't use them they
don't go on the internet anymore
i don't know so it's it's a projector
and a document camera
and um a cart and a set of speakers
effectively
um and then some of those have a
computer on them as well
and the expected like those systems is
about four to five years
so are they breaking how many of them
what percentage of them broke down this
are broken down now that we haven't
placed it there are fairly large
percentage of them or what um i i would
say it's a fairly large percentage i
don't have an exact
you know percentage to give you
at this point
are we buying ones for teachers would
this include ones for teachers that
don't have any now do we still have
teachers that don't have any
so that's a really good question so
we're
the
the tech bundles that we rolled out
during that time frame in 2010
went out to about 34 schools and then we
waited several years because we didn't
have the budget to roll out to the rest
of the schools
those tech funds are going out this year
right now to the rest of the schools
and this proposal would have us going
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back and refreshing those old bundles so
at the end of next school year basically
everybody would have
a brand new bundle every classroom
the uh
what is it that needs to be refreshed
with them i'm still kind of lost on that
so so projectors break down um the bulbs
don't last particularly long um often
times it's it's almost as expensive to
replace the bulb
um to replace the projector as it is to
replace the bulb
um document cameras break
um
that the parts just aren't they're just
not made to last
you know forever and so the equipment
does break down
it gets damaged
and it needs to be replaced and we came
up in this number by doing a survey
throughout our schools
no this this number was generated based
on the cost of replacing the cards at
those sites
replacing the tech bundles at those
locations
even if they're not even if they're not
broken
correct
and then the tech bundles that we
reclaim from those sites we would
refurbish and repurpose for other uses
i'm not trying to be rude here but i'm
still having trouble
if i've got a tech bundle and it's
working
and it's got a camera basically the tech
bundles my understanding is you have a
computer that you can pull things up and
you can then put them through and the
document camera up on the screen for
kids to see that's the tech bundle is
there some other
portion of that that i'm missing yeah
so
if if mine's not broken and it's working
along we're gonna take it back and give
you a new one give me a new one anyway
so i i mean we could
probably have a pretty lengthy
discussion about you know the best way
to maintain the technology but
in my opinion
um it's better to keep all of the
technology to the extent possible
updated all at one time and have it all
standardized and the same
and we are much more able to support
that if we go in and we're having to
investigate every single classroom to
determine what needs to be replaced in
that classroom that's a monumental
effort to visit every classroom and
evaluate the condition of the equipment
and then we also end up with different
ages of equipment in different places
so the approach here is to replace all
that equipment
bring everything back throw away what's
bad keep what's usable and then
repurpose that over time
what do we do with the repurposing
because that won't be that won't be up
to date with the new stuff purposing
when do we sell it or do we put that
back out and you've got a repurposed one
instead of the new one that you got if
everybody has a new one what would we do
with the repurposing ones so the
stock that we would maintain of
refurbished equipment could be used as
newer equipment breaks down so over the
next five year expected lifespan of that
equipment as things break down
prematurely we can come put that
refurbished equipment into those
classrooms we can also put it into new
spaces as we you know open up new
classrooms if we don't put a new tech
bundle into those rooms we can use
refurbished equipment there
we
there's a variety of
things we can do with it
thank you very much appreciate you
taking the time great other questions
just on the technology i'll just i want
to make a comment which is um
we really need it
in a big way that was evidence in survey
right of
the teachers and the principals
yes and i i see it in my kids
schools so it's it is a real big yeah
and it's standard practice in large
organizations exactly what you're how
you're managing it so i appreciate that
um
so
summer
so there's a couple things that that i
was hoping that would be up here that's
not up here
one is the the summer
program
is related to high school but then
there's this whole other i'm thinking of
something like the pdx summer school you
know we received a letter from tim
but there's a whole set of programs that
are geared toward younger kids
and
uh
just
did
did that
get overlooked or is it it's where in
your mind we're fine with it and we'll
get funded in the next budget
are there things that we can do now that
would help this next summer
so no we're not fine with it so we could
be doing a whole lot more summer
programming than we currently do at
across the entire
like age span
and what we prioritized for this purpose
was um high school and getting kids to
graduation so we did not do like could
we we could do the whole budget this
entire thing of saying what we'd like to
do with it is just
fund summer programming for kids across
k-12
and have really robust stuff that we can
do and we've got
programming that we're doing and some
sites and stuff that we're doing with
partners but it's very
um
well it scattered its patch together so
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and we do our best to patch together
things that kids need to get them the
support they need um particularly key
transition points but it's patched it's
very patched together it's something
we'd love to continue to build and um
and in this list
i prioritized high school so but you
could you could
again spend this entire dollar amount
and just do summer programming
and still not hit what you want to be
able to hit in terms of numbers of kids
who need it yeah
this is also where we rely on some of
our partnership with like sun
and parks and right
other
folks we haven't heard from yet
any comments questions
i just want to say thanks for the list
and helped kind of um
assemble it in my mind i still um with
all those on unknowns and i don't
believe all those unknowns will like i
don't believe we'll find ourselves with
the worst case scenario
um
at the same time um
i don't believe there are certain things
i believe will happen that will be part
of that worst case scenario and so i
guess i'm landing at a comfort level at
5.5
that feels both operational
that feels
both that it meets our
aspirational goal
and still will keep us pretty close to
board policy of three percent if
worst-case scenarios happened
i found myself similar to director regan
saying i don't want to invest
just because of the encumbrance on
other anything other than one time
at the same time if there is a way for
us to hold back some of this reserves
and be really thoughtful to support
focus and priority schools
that actually pulled me out that that
said you know for that priority rather
than this mad scramble of let's hurry up
and spend 12 million dollars in the next
six months or four months
let's be intentional with what we're
doing and spending it on
um
so i just i offer that as as a
possibility or something that i'd be
willing to but again i would trust um
you're in staff's judgment about how
that how that goes rather than looking
saying you know i'm going to take this
piece but not that piece and this piece
and that piece
um
so i'll just so so that's actually super
helpful i think for just kind of moving
toward resolution of this discussion so
i'm hearing from director belial a
comfort of 5.5 versus the 4.5 that's in
the current version of the resolution
i'll just say i'm i'm there as well
for some of the same reasons so i don't
know if other folks if we get a sense of
yeah director knowles so i um
i think i talked about this last week
but um
i'm also at 5.5 for almost exactly the
same reasons that
greg mentioned um i think we have to
balance the uncertainty that we
or at least i feel with our urgency and
i think that the superintendent has done
a really great job of providing us with
some examples of how she would spend
this money and i would would not be
opposed to tweaks with that given what
you're hearing from us
and
i guess i am really
concerned about the uncertainties
because i'm not certain about the
co-chairs budget i'm not sure we'll get
there and even if we get to that
i'm not sure that that
i'm not sure that'll be enough for us
because right now it's not
we're not quite there yet um and then
i'm also very concerned about the kicker
and whether it kicks that's 300 million
dollars and
the legislature's going to have to come
up with that money someplace
and some of that will be with schools
and from what i'm hearing from people
who are in salem they're thinking yes
that it's going to kick because our
economy is continuing to grow
so
those are the things that i'm most
concerned about i just i keep thinking
back to those years when we were doing
all those cuts
and all our programs being decimated and
so many teachers being lost and all
those
horrible things that happened when we
were having to make all those cuts and i
would like to minimize the amount of
cuts we would have to make the next time
around if in fact all of these terrible
things happen which
who knows they may not but then again as
tom was talking you asked david about
what about the upside
and we were surprised last year by the
upside uh it would be wonderful to be
surprised again this year but that's
another
thing that we just don't know about and
i'm not going to rely on that for me so
that's why i'm i'm at 5.5 as well
actually i'm at seven but i'm gonna
fight yeah
these are then
so
i'm a little bit confused why we're
having the whole discussion about 4.5
versus 5.5 because i thought last week
we asked the superintendent to come back
with a budget that reflected 4.5 and we
as far as i recall voted on that so
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i'm confused why we're having this
discussion again um
so i wanted to mention a couple of
things or have a couple of questions
one is
musical instruments
when i look at providing 242 musical
instruments at 49 schools
um that comes out to something like five
musical instruments per school so
i'm trying to understand
how
we got there
what that what that means what that will
do for us whether it will have any
impact feel free
um
our arts tosa has been dying for this
question i'm just going to say she's in
the weighing already talk to me about
musical instruments and how we can get
band programs started in middle school
so can i just say
back in the fall when we had the moment
where we were getting to do some ads the
one person i got a full budget from like
immediately
our arts toast so go for it
yes thank you for having me up here i
appreciate being here um
so i'm i
you know i i want to talk to
your question about
the the amount of instruments um i'm
sorry can you tell us your name i'm
sorry thank you so much i'm not i've
never been up here kristen brayson i'm
the arts dosa welcome thank you
um so within that amount
we have to look at the cost per
instrument the lowest instrument cost is
a flute that's 362 per
per flute
a medium cost of instrument is a base
clarinet that's two thousand dollars
and then the high cost is a baritone sax
at four thousand three hundred and sixty
dollars so that adds up very quickly um
when you're looking at
it it's a lot of flute players
yes
so um
the the schools that we're talking about
presently we have students that don't
have instruments in their hands um and
in in class so we are trying to fill
where our gaps are with this
and that's what the investment would be
about at this point
um
talking to direct reagan talking to your
point about what we're going to do about
an articulation um i am going to be
presenting march 3rd and we'll really
dive a little deeper into those details
to try to figure out what that picture
looks like for you guys
okay i guess i'm looking at one time um
clearly for next year we might be
looking at adding music teachers i mean
we've got the arts text that's helping
us k5 we could be looking at the 612
articulation which is what i assume
you're talking about but you know
obviously musical instruments are
expensive and it's one of the areas that
you know at some point we have to
bite the bullet and make the investment
if we're going to
really
attempt to offer our kids this so
um
i'm feeling like 242 instruments is a
pretty minuscule
request in general
um
so
moving on from there um
another question i wanted to ask is i
had uh sent a
uh email to the board and and to oh i'm
sorry you want to talk music stuff go
ahead
um i was curious is
is there a used market is that a viable
option
i couldn't hear you i'm sorry is there a
used market
for instruments and is that a viable
option
it can be very tricky
our music shop person we have one for
the entire district
and um so their time is spent a lot of
times on our we our stock right now is
super old
and we're going to need to look at
replenishing whether or not we tear that
out over a couple of years
but trying to
work on instruments that need
replacement is
sometimes takes more time than actually
getting a brand new instrument that
you're not going to have to spend all
that labor cost on so um you know
there's there's different ways to weigh
out your investment options with that
i mean i'm a
hack musician but i've never bought a
new instrument
um and the ones i buy work great so i
just because it is expensive four
thousand bucks for sax sorry just
yeah
you might want to look into it
yeah and and certainly you know down the
road as we're looking at stuff we can um
look at those options too and provide
you with some more data that would make
sense for you so just a time time check
colleagues for about 15 minutes over so
let's um other questions comments
so i was still wanting to ask another
question
so i had sent a note to the board before
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the last board meeting again asking
about
the notion of trying to give each of our
juniors the opportunity to take the pcc
math
test
which is
sort of the gateway course
at pcc
we end up having
something like 70 80 percent of students
have to take remedial math when they go
to pcc
where they have to pay for it themselves
and
they don't get any credit for it
so as part of our effort to be college
and career ready i have asked whether or
not we have an option of potentially
offering that test to our juniors and
then offering the pcc remedial math
class
the following year to
um
and you know what as i'm asking this i'm
realizing this is really more of a
budget question for next year yes i
think this isn't a question for now okay
thank you but that's a good heads up
thank you so director we're prepared to
talk about it yes be prepared please
we are definitely going to keep coming
back budget process as soon as we get
through this thank you so uh not tonight
but very soon director martin thank you
um
so let's sort of looking through a lens
of uh
using our um
using our milestones uh our achievement
um
agreement as sort of their the litmus
test and what are the things that are
gonna that are going to move the dial
uh
and you know in um at risk of sounding
like a luddite i'm
technology isn't as big of a deal for me
right now
uh
except for
uh support specifically around the
virtual scholars program which offers
alternative to
for students who may or may not be able
to to access
curriculum in another form
if i were to still use that same litmus
test
you know i'm always a big fan of
safety improvements
i'm
you know i think our
summer school and credit recovery is
something we absolutely
need to invest in
i
i love the
you know antonio's recommendation around
and in fact when i made
the comment last week was kind of just
last week i said you know let's not put
a time limit on this let's figure out
you know maybe there's a way to invest
and i didn't know what that was at the
time but but to me this
literacy effort looks like a
multi-year strategy to minimize
even if there was a
school went off
as a focused priority option school lost
some of that additional ode resource we
would be able to maintain that still
continue to build that investment in
those schools so that that looks like
it's a
way for us to create a deeper investment
and then
you know the
those
those strategies that are particularly
important to in reaching out and
improving
training of
teachers in areas of equity and
diversity and
so those are the things that i'm looking
not to
nitpick one or the other
uh but
those are the things that that mean the
most and i'm glad to see them in there i
think they're you know if i had a list
of all my
i
would like to's um it might add a couple
of other things
second to last item is i really
appreciate looking at this um
this information and uh and hearing the
survey the survey thank you and hearing
back from so many different
people
you know overwhelmingly
it uh
you know as a
if i use my executive director hat i
think what programmatically can i do to
to move the dial and push
push achievement forward if i'm looking
at staff
uh
i'm or you know staff input yeah it's
probably going to be about what's going
to help me deliver my deliver something
in the classroom so i really appreciate
that
perspective
all in all i'm
and given that the information tonight
i would be leaning more towards
um
something in the middle
uh can i ask a clarifying question
director morton in terms of the 3.7
million that's in spending plan a yeah
um
i guess what i'm hearing and from my
perspective that's more because that
would be an ongoing over three years
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right i'm i guess my preference and i
think director regan got at this as well
that and when we move into our budgeting
processes that would be on the table for
as part of the discussions versus
having it be part of a one-time
this spring spending
yeah
that's where i'm at i think we could
do that but i'm
uh when you look at this as a one time
in the stability that this would create
i think it's an attractive an attractive
option and um
if we all pinky swear that we're going
to be seriously considering that
within the um
within the budget process i uh
i would be
much more inclined to say let's let's
find another way to create that
investment but i do i do really like the
uh
the stability that an investment like
this would make over a multi-year period
so moving toward actually um voting on
this resolution i'll just say um
i was a no vote on going into this and
so i would still be a no vote on as
currently written at 5.5 percent
um to me
i would be a no vote on it as 5 45
yeah
so um i could
you know i could live with the 4.5 that
is currently written i would be a no
vote i appreciate all the work that's
gone into and i really appreciate the
rapid turnaround and the staff input um
but i like director knowles
given that we during the course of the
year got became got into a better
financial position to
is a really good thing given all the
uncertainties ahead last fall we were in
this school year right now we're looking
ahead to the future the new biennium and
a lot of uncertainty so um
so that's where that's where i'm at
certainly excited about all this
potential and this direct as uh
superintendent smith said we could each
come up with
lots of different spending plans and
much much much more it's not to say that
all of these aren't really valuable and
important pieces so so can i ask for
clarity on what you just did so you're
not supporting it if it's at 4.5 no i'm
not supporting it as currently written
at 4.5 i'm sorry okay
i was saying it completely backward
you're right
yeah someone marked up my page here
sorry
sorry completely adult
uh yeah
what i was trying to say was
the
spending down to 4.5 percent i continue
not to support yeah thank you for
so i
uh
director viewer
i think
smith was going to say something i
didn't want to interrupt her
no i was just i said the thing i got to
say i was going for clarity from ruth
about what she was working on coherence
always a lofty goal for me okay okay go
onward with my questions
can you explain virtual scholars exactly
how that works because i don't
understand it exactly how it works
i can't again i'm going to ask shea
james who is um
virtual scholars summer scholars and
portland evening scholars students
who need
12 mobile computer labs i don't know and
antonio both you guys can both come up
and do these
well i might be able to do part of it um
virtual scholars is under multiple
pathways and so um antonio can speak to
the equipment and maybe i can speak to
the programming questions just very
briefly we just want a quick answer and
maybe there could be additional
follow-up as this plan rolls out with
details on what it's going to point the
vote tonight how are they going to do
we're voting on whether
on what level of spending the submission
is going to do this would have a lot of
influence
we do need to move on to influence
proportionate discipline
so what we're looking into oh so antonio
lopez assistant superintendent for the
office school performance so what we're
looking is
looking for
those options which provide students the
opportunity to make up
on credits
if they're for
if they for example if they get an ad
right what are the ways in which the
options that we can provide our students
so they can make that credit as soon as
possible
so there are some investments in terms
of that that we ask in terms of
technology
because uh
for some of them the chromebooks will
not work they need an actual computer
enabled to see downline if it is online
so there are some asks for technology to
upgrade the capacity and also how do we
offer more
more
to more students that need those types
of credit makeups
don't think
what i can't understand is that the need
for a whole set for them don't they meet
in a school does that school have
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technology and so forth that they can
use now i mean aren't they aren't the
virtual scholars using technology in the
school now why would they yes
and we want to make more available to
them
and currently we have outdated
technology in many of our schools and
we've been replacing with chromebooks
and
operating systems that virtual scholars
can't use and so
we do need the technology in order to be
able to offer these services to students
and we're particularly we'll be
targeting for the first time with
virtual scholars as well
uh seniors who are six to ten credits
behind and so that will also be another
component that we'll be looking
okay next question
uh i would like to wrap this up because
we're now half an hour behind the agenda
i have a couple questions well let's if
you can make them very quick please
because we do i don't know how quick to
answer you i make questions quick
well we're really not we're not going
into the detail on the superintendent's
plan because she can come back to us
with further detail on that but we need
to decide upon tonight is the spending
level that we're authorizing our end
vote on this resolution well the
spending level is contingent upon what
we're buying with it and i'm asking
questions about what we're buying but
why wouldn't we allow that i mean are we
back at speed check quickly ask your
question and then director knowles also
as well about four or five more
uh library books we're talking about
reflecting the cultural diversity of our
students
what my concern is that that does not
become the singular
i mean
i think all of our librarians know to do
that but that that's not where i would
suggest that you want to spend all your
library finding ones to get those good
books that are new that we don't have in
the libraries are set so this but this
is written in your comments like it was
reflecting just that see what it says
there
it says
and i just wanted to make sure it wasn't
really
it says an update library collection is
closed with books reflecting the
cultural diversity of our students but
not all of the books necessarily are
reflecting the culture that we're
updating some of them would just be
updating regular books that don't
reflect any cultural thing that kids
like to read everything reflects
cultural specificity of some sort and so
it's really looking at how do we have
library collections that are going to
appeal to all of our kids so
including
um
like wide array of novels that are going
to really appeal to all sorts of kids so
i mean it's really just saying update
our collections and i think the
superintendent is acting in line with
our racial educational equity policy
which is pretty clear on this and again
i just i guess with respect the super
we're delegating to the superintendent
the authority to carry this out we're
not mike steve on this one if you have
some specific thoughts on it contact me
and give me the specific thoughts in
terms of if you're wanting to
look at specific things we purchase
okay
so just keep going here you want to let
somebody else ask
somebody else
you can have people vote to stop my
questions but you can't stop them
yourself why don't you go ahead and ask
your questions
okay
uh
on the physical education
equipment
does the national pe teacher association
standards why would we have that as a
standard on pe equipment when we have
what that each building needs maybe they
don't need something on the national pe
teacher association standards but they
need more soccer balls
i don't understand how that works so i
will um
ask our office of teaching and learning
to respond to you specifically about
what that includes what the standards
include and what the equipment is that
they recommend to us
and we'll hold purchasing that i'll keep
purchasing that item until i'm able to
give you that answer that question well
i just was
more curious about why we would be why
we would put that restriction in there
instead of letting people
get what they needed to get okay going
to k3 literacy i've got terrific
problems
here i think in that
i'm a
mind that we shouldn't do it over a
three year period because i think it
needs more thought than we have here
we've got
we've got
support planning professional
development
progress monitoring support
differentiation of instruction
implementation the rti model what i
i personally think what we need to do is
be hiring teachers who work directly
with children and this isn't it and it's
a lot of money and i think we need to as
a board sit down and look through and
see what we're doing here as opposed to
there are some people in here there's
four focused schools or some people but
it's not even guaranteed that those
people
work directly with children what i would
think if we had four schools and we put
people in we would put in reading
teachers who work directly with teeth
with children not somebody who was
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planning the rti model here i think we
could do that
in a different way all right that's my
comment on that so i i really wouldn't
support money at that so that puts me
down in the 4.5 is that right
because that's on the other hand
it puts you at 5.5
and um
same thing on the career technical
education expansion it's got support for
curriculum development and is that for
actually developing curriculum
for specific courses in specific schools
or is that for a more generalized it's
giving an allocation to each high school
and it's for
like whatever that high school needs to
keep moving the um building their cte
offerings so it could include equipment
it could include curriculum development
could include professional development
like i described about project lead the
way where you're actually
taking a curriculum that's already
basically developed but it has lab
intensive kind of equipment that you
need to purchase so like it's really
giving we've had some schools that
every school added a new strand of cte
this last year and
numbers of them have now identified
additional equipment needs in order to
fully offer it so we're continuing to
invest and allow them to keep crafting
the cte offerings that
that they've begun crafting so
but it's the discretion of the school
with that range of things possible to
invest in
and my last question yep thank you uh
and i'm
not going to comment on the workload
committee doing the consolidated budget
stuff
but
i have a lot of questions around that
one too are the avid training why do we
need
i mean
i'm i like the dyslexia training stuff
of course it's excellent but the avid
training i'm not sure
how the how much money are we talking
about and that for the avid because
you've got the avid just replaces other
classes in your school
it's not on top of other classes in your
school it replaces something because
they have a period for avid in my
correct you have a period for avid and
so you have a period for abbott so now
you have avid instead of where you had
an elective
normally you wouldn't have stopped to
take it yet yeah it takes a place of an
elective so i think we have a lot more
work to do on avid before we go nuts on
it so here's what we personally what we
have done is we have so madison's
actually been doing avid for a number of
years
george george
and cleveland and roosevelt and what we
did this last year in the general fund
was start building back
into the feeder patterns for those high
schools of teaching those study skills
back in middle school and actually in
elementary school so we've been really
doing what you're building is a common
language about
how you study
and um and a discipline but it's common
language about the kids and the adults
and it's been highly successful it's a
highly successful national model
what we are do proposing here is
that we're
building across all of our middle
schools and then three of our high
schools three more of our high schools
are ready to sit and want to add it
i see here it says funds pay for teacher
time at summer training and site team
meetings tutors family nights and
professional development yeah i'm just
saying so what this would be for us is
we've got other partners who would be
paying for the actual training and for
the library building your avid library
what we would be paying for is the time
um because it's during the summer so
we'd be paying for teacher and staff
time to
go to the trainings
i'm yeah i'm just saying i think that
the avid we need to take a look and see
exactly if it's if it's doing what we
want to do i i don't have any question
that it's not that it's a highly
successful national model but so is
music
so is our arts are highly successful
nationals so are librarians they are
highly successful national model backed
up by research so are all these other
things that we are replacing by doing
the habit possibly i don't know i just
think i i'd rather look at it so okay
thank you thank you director thank you
um i'd like to propose an amendment to
the resolution uh
under the section on resolution i would
change
uh in paragraph one
the amount to
7.2
million
and in paragraph two
the contingency at 5.5
okay so a motion to amend resolution
5018 is on the table to amend resolve
number one uh change 12.125 to 7.2
million
resolve number two change four point
five percent to five percent is there a
second
well second
okay so
director knowles moved and director
belial seconds the amendment any
discussion on the amendment
i would just reiterate the things that i
already said which is that i think that
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we're in a time of uncertainty
we're at the beginning of a biennium not
at the middle of the biennium
we're unsure where the legislature is
moving we don't know if the kicker is
going to kick
i think the superintendent has put
together a tremendous
outline for us
on where this money could be spent
and um i
think that 5.5 is a
um
is a good place for us to be based on
um all the uncertainty that we have to
face
thank you
and let me also say
we're in the middle of a budget yes in
the middle of budgeting for the coming
year so we're really only talking about
what we're doing for the next four
months
so i i really think that we need to to
keep it at 5.5 and if the legislature
comes back and gives us all the money
that we need then
there's always time for another
conversation
so director regan
yeah i'm
i'm opposed and i'm so confused why
we're even having this discussion again
because a couple of weeks ago we
we had this vote we instructed the
superintendent to come back
and give us some budget ideas on how to
spend some one-time funds and where we
would land at 4.5
our board policy says our reserve should
be at three percent our aspirational
goal is five percent i'm
so glad that we're not talking about
seven percent now we have urgent needs
out in our classrooms today
um so i don't understand why we're going
past our aspirational goal
i understand that there are some
uncertainties but when i look at where
we are today compared to the last
12 years that i've been on the board
we're in better shape than we've ever
been in and yes there are uncertainties
and that's the reason you have a reserve
but i don't see any reason for us to go
past our aspirational goals when we have
such
urgent needs in the classroom today
so i will be a no vote on the amendment
other comments on the amendment
director filler sure i mean i i'm
i guess i'd reiterate what bobby said
it's just uh
we
we have voted on this these unknowns
were known to us
when we first voted on it
they're still
they're still out there this is um
there's a there's a whole upside that
we're that we're not taking into
consideration i do agree also with
what pam said earlier about tweaks
um so i would vote for 4.5 i would like
to see some tweaks given our discussion
like you to consider
potentially the huge gap in the summer
programs
for the younger kids um if we could do
something right but just in terms of
this amendment your comment is that you
would not support the amendment said
would it
that's correct
i would move for
4.5 other comments on this amendment
um i'll just add for me the um i would
support this amendment and um
again given that we are now going into
our budget process for this coming year
the contingency will be part of the
discussion for that process going to the
sierra and over the next few months as
we have our town halls we hear from the
community things become clear in the
legislature we'll have much that money
will still be on the table for
consideration very much so but i don't
want to tie us down at this very moment
for short-term spending this spring as
valuable and as needed and as wonderful
as all these
proposals are
to get us down that low going in at this
point in the year so that's that's where
i'm at supporting the
amendment director bill did you have
something you wanted to say on the
amendment
uh no i don't think so i'm kind of
supporting matt's
proposal so i have an amendment after
okay
so first let's vote on the amendment
that's currently on the table if
everyone has said what they want to say
okay all those in favor of the amendment
please say i i
so that was four i think all those
opposed please say no
no
any
abstentions okay
and student representative hi chess
wallace pudding yes
okay so that was uh the amendment
carries by vote of four to two with
director buell abstaining
and student representative voting yes
okay so what we now have is 5018 as
amended
um
karen do you have the amendments was
that clear what the amendment was okay
all right
so now we're going to um
are we ready to vote on resolution 5018
as amended
so
um
is this an opportunity to offer an
amendment
okay so i would like to uh make an
amendment to an amendment that would
increase the amount of money that we're
spending by
300 000 which would match what the
teacher workload committee is putting
into the consolidated budget and that
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will give our principals some immediate
flexibility um out in the field
okay okay this is our second second
okay so bobby moves and tom seconds an
amendment to 5018 that would increase
the amount spent by 300 000 to match the
workload committee and give principals
flexibility etc that's close enough yes
um okay so there's been moved in second
and then amendment any discussion
director below
i just um
both appreciate the
the needs that are happening at the
school whether it's paper or any number
of issues that our schools do
and i'm just
using this opportunity while it's on the
table to mention that as i get to work
with districts throughout the county i'm
sometimes surprised at how much
flexibility we give our principals
and so
whether or not it's the most effective
for us to let them have for example 160
000 at their discretion
it's something that i guess i'd be
interested in considering whether or not
that's the best strategy for us to do
other comments
i'll just say i mean i appreciate the
spirit behind this but i think i would
leave it to the superintendent i'm
hearing that there's sort of a separate
conversation about this and i think i
would just prefer to keep for me i would
prefer to keep it the resolution as
amended and she's heard our input and
and thoughts on this and other topics
and she can go forth and and work that
work that out
in uh would it be possible to ask the
superintendent if she's supportive of
this amendment
so
do you want the answer to that sure yeah
so yes and here's what i would say like
what if it if it doesn't pass as the
amendment i'll look with how to do it
within the
spending plan too so just to say the
spirit of the amendment yes yeah yeah i
guess for me it also it's
for me it's we give our input on the
different perspectives and i want the
superintendent to make the decisions to
go out and implement it that's i guess
the spirit of it yes yes
okay so let's go ahead and vote on the
second amendment to resolution five zero
one eight um all those in favor please
indicate by saying yes yes yes so wait
one two three four
all those opposed please indicate by
saying no no
so that's three so the amendment carries
by vote of four to three with student
representative voting yes yes
okay so now we have a resolution that's
been amended to
so i guess
um you know i'm sorry directory i didn't
clarify did you mean to just increase
the 7.2 million by another 300 000 or do
you want a separate
thing that's okay
do we need to put in the rest of the
verbage about what that is for and where
if so where would that go
well instead of
7.2 it looks like it would be 7.5 right
right and then whatever that
corresponding percentage we would now be
at
five something
and i i don't know if i can calculate it
that quickly
in your head come on david
okay
so looking at our board council are we
okay with this
you you have been clear the intent of
what the amendment says okay and did um
did you need i'm sorry i should have
asked this before we voted but do you
need to have the specific wording about
what that additional money would be for
or you we've everyone expected
okay great just checking
okay so now are we ready to vote on
resolution five zero one eight as twice
the minute of director buell i'm an
amendment all right what's your
amendment i like to move that we spend
that we take an extra million dollars
which is basically where we lost three
three million seven hundred thousand in
the support for focus and priority
schools and put it in one of two places
either
people who work directly with children
in focus and priority schools around
reading
or in
athletics engage which engage children
in after-school athletics and supporting
what we're doing around the athletic
work in the middle schools
okay so if i understand you write the
amendment the superintendent do with it
as she would like okay so amendments
from director buell is to
spend an additional 1 million dollars
above the 7.5
with
the indication that should be spent on
people working directly with children in
focus and priority schools on reading
or athletics athletics at focus and
priority schools just athletics
athletics in general particularly in the
middle schools or just in middle school
athletics or athletics and musical
grades would be better in middle grades
okay is there a second
second
so director curler's seconds
um any discussion on this amendment
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director
i just um again all the ideas that i
hear um i actually um
are good ideas as were all the ideas
that we saw in the list of input from
from various surveys
um and really we know that we are two
billion on the state budget away from um
from what's the quality education model
which is something that we'd want
and my my concern with these amendment
after amendment after amendment is that
there's a lack of strategic thought
behind
what we're trying to do
it feels piecemeal and this is a this is
a pattern that has happened before in
the board and i've seen it diminish
and so i'm i'm concerned as it's rearing
rearing its tendency again it's well
within our authority to do i don't don't
question that we can go line by line 10
by 10
but this does not seem to be the wisest
use of investment in fact it feels like
we are
trying to spend money fast and furious
rather than focusing on trying to get
the best outcomes for our kids
and i i just want to see that director
do you want to speak sure thank you um
because
i think everything that uh
we're doing and that we've talked about
actually is
strategic
um and i think the most strategic thing
that we can do
uh is help our kids
right now
um and
uh
every time that an opportunity goes by
and we can't help somebody to read
or every time
that we miss an opportunity to engage
somebody
we pay for it fivefold down the road so
it's highly strategic to spend resources
that we have now
on our kids now
so i just
appreciate your what you're saying but i
just really disagree with it
director knows um
i'm going to be a no on the
amendment
mainly because
it's not that i don't appreciate our
sports programs and want them to be
stronger
and uh literacy but my understanding is
that
most of the literacy money that was in
their proposal is money in the out years
about 400 000 in the in years and my
hope is that as you're adjusting these
there's going to font you're going to
find and we will find within the budget
this coming year this 400 000 and then
the next year however much we need
in each following year so part of the
complexity of these is when we're adding
people for four months right but we're
not in we can't say we want you then
also going on into next year finding the
people we need with the skills that we
need to work with somebody perform so
like i wouldn't out of the 3.2 million
dollars take the 400 000 and just fund
it right now for four months for the
income here at the end of the year
because i can't tell that person
i need you for three you know for three
years right to dive in and go deep um so
even
anyway so just that's the complexity we
don't tell any of our employees no about
them for three years we don't no but you
do do that
but you know what i'm saying you don't
say this is a four-month job but we want
somebody who's highly talented and can
teach reading and i will only want you
for four months yeah that's right at the
same time we've all as i think it was
you said pinkie sweared uh that we all
you like the that we strategically are
very supportive of the strategy and
right
i'm just concerned about uh as uh
chair atkinson has stated just these
one-offs
coming through and i i liked the
proposal that you put forward for all of
us and i'd like to i'm with director
belisle and i believe that
we empower you with the ability to do
that and and we should
leave it there
yeah i'll just say again to hire people
right now does not make sense to talk
about hiring people this coming year
great and to have some of these one time
particularly it's material investments
that will go directly to help kids
whether it's the library books or the
instruments or the athletic
equipment that's that's great
but i wouldn't support an amendment to
spend on people for a short term um
especially considering the amount of
time it would take staff to ramp up a
mid-year hiring process
in the short term i'd rather they were
out looking for awesome teachers for
this coming year
um
okay other comments on this amendment
director buehl yeah the strategic area
around we're very strategic around our
sports programs that we're trying to put
in so to suggest that that's not
strategic
i mean we're strategic around it this
i think that that any teachers we hired
now as reading teachers and we let we
laid off tons of reading teachers
in our town
i mean tons of reading pieces we're
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going to put them back we're going to
put them back so if we hired them now
and we got good ones i'm not for hiring
poor ones but we hire good ones now
they're going to be around they're going
to be around they're going to figure out
we could tell them hey you're probably
and we can put them in this next budget
and make sure they're there and get
started on helping children to read it
just seemed we had people hired
on this and you said well it's a
three-year commitment maybe but i don't
see why we couldn't
tell people hey look they're looking
there's a lot of teachers out there
maybe who are looking for reading jobs
who are pretty darn good all right let's
go ahead and i think it's very i think
it's very strategic because hiring
people that teach children to read is
the best strategy that we have for a
third grade reading which is our main
goal and so doing that is about as
strategic as you could possibly get i
guess from my perspective i wouldn't
question whether it's strategic to hire
great reading teachers it's just the
timing of doing so in february through
from job that would be from february to
june but let's go ahead and vote on this
amendment all those in favor of the
amendment um from director beale please
indicate by saying aye
aye all right
so i'm sorry that was
uh
three all uh those opposed to using
can't be saying no no
so the amendment um fails with four
opposed three in favor and student
representative jesus voting no no okay
all right so we're back to now ready to
vote i hope on resolution 5018 as
amended
um any clarification needed by staff or
any members on what we're voting on at
this point you got it awesome
okay
let's now go to resolution five zero one
eight as amended all those in favor
please indicate by saying aye aye
aye
all opposed please think anybody saying
no
all right the motion passes unanimously
seven to zero excuse me the resolution
passes down to zero with student
representative jazz while voting yes
yes okay thank you all very much
superintendent smith thank you so much
for bringing forth this plan and for
listening to all the input and we look
forward to hearing um
the results and how these this rolls out
and i know again appreciation to all the
staff who weighed in quickly on that
survey which really made a big
difference and we're looking forward to
hearing how he's short-term small we
know not enough but hopefully very
welcome investments will make a
difference and
i'll say this at the end again as well
but just for folks who are thinking in
terms of the upcoming budget i know soon
word's going to go out we're gonna have
a number of town halls around the budget
so be looking for those so as we move
into the full budget process for this
coming year we want to hear from
everybody okay so with that we will now
move on to an update on eliminating
disproportionate discipline the
disproportionate discipline rate which
is one of the top priorities of this
district um superintendent smith would
you like to introduce this item
um i would and i'll introduce lolenzo
poe who's our chief equity and diversity
officer and director of partnerships
sarah singer who's the senior director
of system planning and performance rick
kirshman who's the program director of
supportive school discipline
kevin bacon our principal at boyce
elliott humboldt
as the primary
presenters and they'll introduce others
and kevin i think kevin bacon i think
you're up at the table here too
i think you're up the table too there's
another chair right over there
thank you all so much for being here
thank you for your patience and waiting
for this item to come up
we really appreciate you being here
thank you
lolenzo poe over to you
good evening uh madam co-chairs board
member superintendent smith lolenzo poe
uh and it is a great pleasure to be
before you again
to bring you some information on the
updating of our exclusionary discipline
to remind you that our commitment as a
district is to reduce exclusionary
discipline
and increase instructional time for all
students
the superintendent has set out as one of
her three priorities a goal around
exclusionary discipline
and the closing of disparities around
exclusionary discipline and its
disparities
there's a fish she calls for a 50
reduction in overall exclusionary
discipline
and a 50 reduction in disproportionality
in exclusionary discipline in two years
in addition to that
she has made an agreement to participate
in a broad based community dialogue and
discussion
led by portland parents union to
determine a set of recommendations that
could be formed as a basis of a
moratorium or ways to look at how to
further eliminate exclusions is a part
of what the district does so tonight we
want to talk to you about some of the
data we're going to talk to you about
some of the strategies and programs that
we're putting in place and the kinds of
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things we believe it takes to address
this issue and so with that let me turn
it over to sarah singer who will walk
you through some of the key data
elements then we'll have an opportunity
here from rick kirschner who is the
manager for our climate
department and also then have an
opportunity for you to hear from a
school that is actively involved in the
work and beginning to make strides
towards closing uh eliminating the
disparities in exclusion and then we'll
answer questions so
with that sarah all right thanks a lot
um before i begin um just i think it's
important to note that when i talk about
exclusionary discipline
in the context of this presentation and
when i present data i'm talking about
when a student is either expelled or
suspended from school
and so what i'm going to show you is our
percent of students who have been
excluded at least once over over at um a
time period from 2007 to 2014
13 14.
and so what we note is that for our
overall population
7.1 percent of our students had been
excluded at least once in 2007 and 8.
that number is now 3.3 percent
for the
2013-14 year so that's
a reduction really of it's really been
cut in half basically
in contrast
you can look at our african-american or
black population and what we see is that
in 2007 eight
approximately 18
percent
of um black students had been excluded
at least once
in 2013-14
it had dropped to 10.5
however when you compare that to our
white population what you'll see is that
over time
our white population has also
decreased in terms of the amount of
exclusions that they experience
in in 2013-14 it was 2.3 percent of our
white population who had experienced an
exclusion
so what you you can note is that
um if you look at
our um
our black population at 10.5 percent
um being excluded for 2013-14 versus our
white population
um at 2.3 percent that's about 4.5 times
the rate um so we call that the relative
rate and that has been
not it's not been growing over time but
it's also not been shrinking over time
and so this is why
we have an exclusionary goal that's
explicitly targeting the
disproportionality
of exclusion not just the amount of
exclusion overall
the other critical
group that i think sometimes gets
overlooked is our native american
population this
group is been our second most excluded
group for
at least the last three years that i've
looked at this data
so i think it's safe to say that that is
a trend
so i'm going to present
this next set of data is on our
four-year graduation rate and and by
presence or absence of exclusion during
high school and so i'm just going to
caveat that this is 2012-13 graduation
rate data we're working on updating it
for the 1314 grad rate data but i
believe the trends will still
be similar so students who have never
been excluded
from high school have a 68 graduation
rate
they've been excluded at least once it
drops to 43 percent
excluded between two and five times it
drops to 34 percent
and finally if you've been excluded
between 5 and 10 times we see those
students graduating 20
at 20
within four
years um at portland public schools we
are actively seeking to disaggregate all
of the data that we present um by both
race and gender
so we've done that here percent of
students excluded at least once by
gender and race for the 13-14 school
year and so what you'll see is our
our black males our native males and our
black females are the groups sort of
excluded
most frequently
and you also note that it then goes
pacific islander male 1
males who identify as multiple races
hispanic males and white males so
there's definitely a gender component to
exclusion
and then it
you'll see the remainder of our groups
all the way down to our asian female
population which is excluded one percent
of the time and compare that to our
black male population who's excluded 15
15 of them have been excluded
this data this pattern interestingly if
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you look at black male native male and
black female for the last
three years we've seen the data look
very similar to this in terms of order
so you'll see black males kind of on top
both for 13 14 but also we saw it for 12
13
followed by native male followed by
black female so we've seen several years
now of that exact same order
so
this is percent of students excluded at
least once by
grade level as well as race so
what we'll see here is
um in pre-k through third grade
um
if you look at who's excluded the most
and i'm just going to oh
i hit the wrong button okay um what
you're going to see right here
is that red triangle and then that
um
that line right there that represents
our native population that represents
our our african-american population so
from the get-go what we know is that our
native and our black populations are
excluded um more frequently and
disproportionately starting literally in
kindergarten
and then what we see over time is that
almost for almost all of the racial and
ethnic groups students as they get older
are more likely to be excluded
but what you see specifically with our
black population is an enormous jump
starting in grades four and then
culminating in grades six through eight
so i'm referring to
this pinnacle right here
can we can you remind me how old are
children and fourth and fifth grade
um
yeah nine and ten so if we see a
significant jump
in
black
black male children
and who are nine and ten years old
correct and i would just yes black male
children and black females as well
actually
right yeah
i just want yeah for me it's an
important um it's an important thing to
recognize that these are these are
children yes so we're talking about
nine and ten years old
it's
ridiculous
director morning i think it's important
to note that that pattern starts
interesting enough as early as
kindergarten and beers yeah so
we see it at four five and six
but can i can i also point out on that
graph that it also appears that
um for for many of our kids the
exclusionary discipline peaks at middle
school
middle school grades is that fair enough
yep that is true that is i think one of
the reasons that we've been talking
about needing to make some more
investments in middle grades in the
middle grades
so as we look at the data we present the
data in a way
and try to center on a couple of things
as a district as we are seeing reduction
in exclusionary discipline
and they're also seeing reductions in
the disproportionality of kids of color
the issue of a persistent disparity
is a place that you really have to begin
to attack and approach
as well as looking at what is the total
culture of our district that gets us the
kind of results that we can continue to
bring down exclusionary practice
for us as we look at across
the district as we look across the
country one of the things that we really
recognize that the foundation of our
pbis work our positive behavioral
intervention and support work that is
creating a school climate that engages
every student and family comfort with
this issue of restorative justice how do
you resolve conflicts by strengthening
relationships instead of punitive
measures
becomes the centerpiece of a climate and
a culture we want in all schools
and what we also found that when you
look at that where you bring in a deeper
connection with the cares work or
collaborative action research for equity
where you begin to work with schools and
teachers and principals who begin to
look at their practice begin to focus on
how they're utilizing their practices
their tools with an eye toward racial
equity we find that we begin to make
certain kinds of gains that leads us to
believe that the more we accelerate that
the more we build that kind of climate
and culture throughout the district we
can in fact continue to drive the
numbers down
so that is an important backstop because
that is the kind of climate that we want
to build throughout the district in
every school but we also recognize that
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there's some key actions that also has
to correspond with that
and add to one is also providing racial
equity training for all our new teachers
courageous conversations become the
foundational piece for the district for
us to begin to everyone examine their
racial consciousness and how race in
fact may be a collaborator and how
people address their pedagogy and how
they interact with students and staff
we also look at the revision excuse me
of the student discipline and conduct
document so that it lines up with what
we talk about in a restorative system
for a district and how in fact we're
addressing discipline and exclusionary
practices across the board and
particularly what our students are
calling
we want to partner with families as we
develop school climate plans
particularly
families of students of color to engage
them in the planning of the climate
having to support our schools having
them support our principals and support
their children are a critical element of
making sure that we as a district we as
a community really in place to support
the kind of climate the kind of schools
we want to see so that we're no longer
having the kind of levels of disparities
around exclusion that we've seen again i
want to keep focusing on this and
sometimes it's one of those things where
i don't want to sound like a cheerleader
but i also have to be reminding that we
are moving forward we just have to
accelerate
the other piece is as we talk about the
climate in our schools it is important
that that climate is ground with
everyone who comes into the building
that they're a part of the climate and
culture so we're training our partners
we're starting with our sun system who
contains many multiple partners from our
community partnerships to other business
partners who come into the buildings
who interact with our staff who interact
with our students we want to make sure
that they are also trained in a
restorative nature because it is about
building
maintaining relationships and when
they're have some disrepair how do you
restore that how do you do it in a way
that brings honor and to both the
student the teacher and the community
and lastly as i said as we look across
this the the continuous
disparity in exclusion is ground in the
issue of race and culture in our case as
we look at the data it is in our native
american community and is in our
african-american community so we have to
understand that from that standpoint
there are cultural strategies that we
have to bring to bear and we have to
bring our cultural partners
from our communities and providers to
participate with us and i'm proud to say
that we have some of those in the
audience with us this evening but
working very hard with us we understand
that this problem is one that is not
just the districts to resolve but it
takes communities takes others who
understand what it does but it needs to
happen to help address the issue of
disparities in our schools
so we're also hiring recognize that
in the schools the bridge the connection
between staff
teachers communities we have had a model
that has worked well with our student
assistant coordinators and we have
decided have placed in
six strategic locations where we have
high numbers of students of color excuse
me
we have one student assistant
coordinator that is focusing on an
african-american caseload
we have one
student assistant coordinator that is
focusing on a native american caseload
and one that's looking at latino
population because it is critical again
to understand that in the context of
what we're doing to close the disparity
gap we have to in fact understand and
address the issue of culture and what
that means and how we work that school
we're also looking at expanding our
co-specific partners and mentoring
again how do you bring mentors into the
building if you're african-american male
in our school system chances are you
will go through most of your career
seeing very few if any black men so how
do you bring that into the school and
help support the climate and culture
that we're trying to build
how do we bring leadership development
to young people who in fact
some are our most potential
about bringing leadership to support the
schools how do we bring that out in a
culturally appropriate way
and recognize that part of restoring is
healing how do we bring and incorporate
and we're looking at having healing
circles at a number of our schools to
help heal what becomes the dramatic
things that happen when you're expelling
and suspending particularly young kids
that is a traumatic experience for
families so how do we heal that how do
we have that conversation so that you
can move forward and lastly one of the
things we hear a lot about is the issue
of trauma and what happens to both
particularly the students and the
families so how you're providing what we
talk about is mental health services in
a more culturally appropriate way how
we're doing that how we make assessments
how we're making sure we're not only
partnering with the county but our own
cultural providers who understand that
oftentimes it is not the labeling of is
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mental health but they're calling the
council that will get families and kids
to the table so that is in essence the
significant strategies the directions
we're moving as we continue to move
toward
raining down the rate of exclusions
and cloak reagan down and then
ultimately closing the disparities
look at that let me turn it over to
recursion so he can talk about some of
the progress we're making to give you
some more in depth around the models
that we're building our foundational
piece for rick
thank you good evening pleasure to be
here tonight
so we've started uh our pbis rj and care
trainings are underway
i think almost happening daily we're
engaging and working with
all kinds of schools our culturally
specific supports are in place the ones
that lenso just referenced those have
started are online in our buildings we
continue to work with resolutions
northwest in providing rj support at six
of our schools
and all six or five of those are two of
the 12 schools that we're focusing on
this year to go a little deeper
uh we've just rolled out uh last week
our slightly updated 214-15 student
discipline handbook
and that was in cooperation with p.a.t
the small changes there
our principals are now
receiving approval prior to suspending
for more than two cumulative days
and we're exploring a moratorium with
portland perry union that continues to
be a monthly uh progress
we go to the next one what it looks like
i don't want to take too long here
because we have
kevin and
jeff from boise elliot but you know when
i look at this lulenzo touched on it but
what's exciting here and exciting for me
uh in my work and for our district here
is what this represents i believe is a
combination of both the heart and the
mind right the the technical and
adaptive are words we've used here
so when we look at what is positive
behavioral supports when we flip to that
next slide or well first we touch on the
care right asking teachers to lead with
their heart examine their instruction
through the lens of their students you
know our black and brown students
specifically and incorporating these
practices in that so and then we connect
that with the next slide
um our pbis where we're asking people to
understand what pbis really is is it's
an implementation framework right that
allows us in a very technical way to
help schools address the elements that
we know
have been proven to help create those
both academic and socially engaging
environments and leading with the family
voice right
and then finally we look at the last one
and again leading with our hearts again
here right so instead of suspension and
exclusion we now work with staff to
repair relationships uh build community
instead of sending kids home or pushing
them away that also extends to both
families as well so it's a very big
systemic and philosophical shift in the
way that we look at discipline in our
buildings
and then now we're going to ask kevin
and jeff to come and talk to us about
so mr poe is well principal bacon is
coming up i don't know if you're
planning to introduce some any of the
community partners or just recognize
them the folks that are here or you know
this would be a good time for that or
you can do it later
why do i do this why not just ask them
to stand okay
if you would stand for it those of you
who are part of a partnership network
so this on behalf of the board thank you
for your support and partnership and
this really crucial work and thank you
for being here tonight so with that
principal bacon
good evening i'm kevin bacon i'm the
principal of boise elliot humboldt
school k-8 school
pre-k a school i um
i want to thank you for uh for for for
having us here tonight
i also want to uh
acknowledge the gentlemen that were just
recognized
but for many of them i would i would not
be here where i'm where i'm at today and
i'm very grateful
very grateful to them
um
a little bit about me i'll have
30 years next year
which seems to have flown by very fast
i've worked at worked at all three
levels k-5 middle school high school
i worked in nearly all the quadrants of
the city i worked at whitaker middle
school in northeast
back in the
mid to late
80s early 90s george middle school in
north portland
jefferson high school left district for
about six years i was out in southwest
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tigard
school district
came back to portland southeast portland
hoxford middle school
and now back in inner north portland at
boise l.a humble a little bit about our
school
we
uh my my team did a presentation last
year about being a
what it is to be a steam school a stem
school
we're
our school in george middle school we're
part of
we're kind of official stem schools
we're part of the
the portland area metro stem consortium
and
we showed a video that talked about
being a stem school but also
if you really paid attention remember
that video it also highlighted how it is
a goal of ours to integrate pbis the
care work
restorative justice into steam so it all
integrates and it works as seamlessly
as as possible
the other thing i wanted to to
definitely make mention of boise ali
humble is i'm not sure the numbers for
this year but for the last three years
running boise elliott humboldt has had
the most african-american american
students in the state at any level high
school middle school or otherwise and so
that puts us at the front line of the
data you just saw
and we could not do the work we do
without
the district support without the
community support
and the ongoing
support of our parents
and
teachers like mr waters here and so when
we were asked to
to talk about and kind of encapsulate
what what this work has been like as
we've entered
you know into those three concentric
circles this year's work
we found it important to bring a teacher
and have a teacher talk from his
perspective about what that's looked
like this year
and um i want you to know we didn't we
talked a little bit
but in no way did i you know rehearse
him or vet him in any kind of way and so
i'm uh
i know some of his themes but
um
you know hey i want him to to talk from
his heart and it's important
for you to hear from that teacher
perspective what what it's been like
mr waters sure
uh first of all just thank you for for
having me here and i would encourage you
to continue to include student and
teacher voices and and all aspects of
district management uh mr bacon one of
my first memories of him i walked into
his his office and he had this quote on
the wall it's not up there this year and
i'm gonna mess the quote up really bad
but it says something along the lines of
the mark of good leadership is taking
those who you lead and lifting them up
as brothers
and that's uh that's really kind of a
theme of what i'd like to talk to you
guys about
um
you know all honesty this this work is
is a struggle at times because we are
working against a very deeply entrenched
paradigm in american public education
um i've been at boise now for three
years i was originally hired by miss
molly chun excellent principal now at
ockley green
chief joe
and then mr bacon came and
i met with him over summer and he says
he says to me he says
i notice here that you have an
enrichment course what are you teaching
and
i wasn't really teaching anything yet
because i'd just been given an
enrichment course without really any
guidance as to what that should be and
so i just had leadership
and he said oh
good
and i
immediately wasn't quite sure what i was
doing and
reached out to a good friend of mine
who's the activities director at sprague
high school and said hey i need a lot of
help how do you do this and
i've seen
a crazy transformation in our kids in
two years just by including student
voice
so much so that
at this point sometimes they're kind of
running it and i'm kind of running to
keep up with them
and so it started as just like a general
leadership focus in a newspaper class
and it's evolved into
student council with elections and
fundraisers and dances and
constitution we just had our first
amendment to our constitution today
because there was something that
students didn't like and didn't think
was fair
and what i noticed is that as students
as student voice
was included
students began to feel more comfortable
with with talking back and i don't mean
it in a bad way i mean talking back to
to systems that they felt were unfair
for example our uniform policy
in the middle grades there was a period
of time where our heaters didn't quite
work right this year and they'd come
into the classroom and one classroom
would be like 90 degrees and another
classroom would be like 50 degrees
and the students
in our dress code policy they were not
allowed to wear their their their
jackets in the classrooms and the
students that was creating a lot of
conflict between teachers and teachers
are just saying hey we're just enforcing
the policy and the leadership class of
student council said hey why don't we
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actually try to do something about this
and so a group of students
organized a petition they organized a
referendum they wrote a letter to mr
bacon
and to just see the entire middle school
kind of mobilize around this this theme
that they felt was relevant to their
lives in social justice
was really awesome like to be honest in
my my short two and a half year career
uh it really has been the highlight
um
let's see
now what what what that what that's
taught me is that
none of the things
in that packet and in this in this
powerpoint really really matter without
student voice without student buy-in
pbis restorative justice
pta any sort of school institution
without student buy-in student voice
it's not going to work
and
i think that as we move forward with
this work we need to continue to
encourage students to come to sit and to
listen and
we we also need to make these sorts of
institutions accessible to students
because
it's late and i'm tired and so are they
now
all of that said all of that said it
hasn't been
all roses i mean there's
like i said at the beginning of this we
really are working to kind of
transition a paradigm and
a lot of the a lot of the systems and
the procedures have have been evolving
as we've as we've kind of worked through
it um
everybody in the building everybody's
heart is in the right place
but
sometimes the way that resources are
allocated
or the way that staffing is allocated
oftentimes it feels to to teachers
i mean it feels like all of us are
a little bit of an activity director and
all of us are a little bit of a student
management specialist and all of us are
a little bit of
an ap and an rj coordinator
and
in addition to
lesson planning grading meetings
observations actually teaching seven
hours a day
that that puts an immense amount of
stress on teachers and what i would
encourage the district to do
is to
to to really invest in
a position
that is like that that's their sole
purpose
especially in the priority schools that
the sole purpose is to
to help develop these systems and these
procedures and to support teachers and
students in the work
thank you thank you very much thank you
mean not not much to add to that i think
that everywhere i've tried to go i've
tried to encourage student voice parent
voice teacher voice
um
you know the things that were presented
on that powerpoint are all about making
really some significant culture changes
you know in the way we've been doing
things you think about the history of
public schools
you know there was a move away from
corporal punishment to and that was
replaced by exclusionary discipline
and i just think now we're being
we're being asked to evolve when i was a
student management specialist
in the uh the 90s
you know under the direction of some
very caring caring principles you got in
a fight your first fight you were one
day out your second fight you were three
days out your third fight you were five
days out your fourth fight you were
sitting in an expulsion hearing
and that's kind of just the way it was
and i think
i think our thought with that was that
you got to send a message
right you got to send the message if
somebody gets in a fight
then i gotta i got to come down hard so
that it sends a message so that
nobody else will get in a fight
or if you as a student you get angry at
me and you cuss me out well i gotta send
a message
you know
um to suspend you so that no other
student will take a chance on cussing
out the principle
and
so so
it's not just teachers we're asking to
make this paradigm shift it's not just
it's administrators too and i had i had
a situation right i had a situation and
it was on the playground
and i came up on two girls who looked
like they were escalating and they were
arguing back and forth other kids were
kind of starting to circle around this
group and i got in the middle
and um the first one i approached and
was kind of asking her to come with me
refused to come with me and kind of turn
that anger toward me i shifted
my my attention to the other young lady
she decided to kind of walk away with me
and we we just went to my office right
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with the other girl and then i sent for
thee for the other young lady now there
might have been a piece of me in the
past that might because the one that was
left as i was walking away she had some
she had some words for me and she had
some words for for the other young lady
too right and there might have been a
day where
you know she would have had to go home
come back with your mom and dad let's
sit down and let's figure this out
um but
i got the rj coordinator
and i said you know what we're gonna sit
in a circle so that that's one paradigm
shift is i gotta be willing to sit
equally with a student in the circle
okay now i'm gonna digress and tell you
about a culture that i read about
in west africa
when a kid acts out in this village
they put the kid in the center of the
village
they surround him with him or her with
all the adults
and for one week they say nothing but
positive things about this person who
made this bad choice
okay so
here i am in a circle with this young
lady and i'm a little bit mad she's a
little bit mad but we got the rj
coordinator there but all right i'm
going to do this because
you know we got to reduce our numbers
we got to reduce our numbers
and and i haven't even shared this with
my staff and that's kind of coming up on
this next late opening because right now
i got staffed in lots of different
places with what we're doing some are
some are with us and they kind of see
where we're going some are like
you know we're not being tough enough
around here and the kids are all going
crazy and so we got to calibrate
ourselves all right so here i am right
so i'm here
and by the way dr dare always reminds me
that i dressed up nicely to get this job
all right so
and interviewed and everything right so
here i am all right and
and
the other paradigm shift is okay first
we got to be able to sit in a circle as
an equal the second thing we got to be
able to do is negotiate
with kids all right that doesn't mean in
my therapist
he told me negotiating
isn't
compromise negotiating is how can we
both get
what we want out of this experience
right so that was the conversation that
we had in the circle
that me and the young lady had how can
we get what we both need out of this
experience and i said to her well what i
need out of this experience is if i see
you starting to
escalate
you know i need for it to start to
de-escalate how can i get that
experience
and what she said was you know mr bacon
you came at me
you know first and it made it seem like
to everybody else around that i was the
one that was to blame
and then she had a story about how
actually you know it was something
totally that i was kind of misreading it
a little bit
and and so we talked about well if i see
you like in that situation again how can
i come up where you get what you need
and i get what i need and we were able
to come through that without anybody
going home
nobody has tried me
so to speak out on the playground
nobody's come up to me and started
getting angry and cussing me out and so
the the the
the whole sending the message
you know but i still get caught up in
that because i do sometimes you know i
do want to you know i mean that's how i
raise my own kids right
you know if i let if i let my youngest
daughter talk back then my oldest
daughter down the road is going to try
to talk about it and so there's some
shifting
there's some shifting that we're doing
and and it's messy this is
this is not a straight line it's a zig
it's a zag
and but
most places i've been it's been the
struggle that has produced the results
most places i've been the suspension
rate has gone down not because
of a mandate per se but because you
change the culture of the school you
give people voice
you know and if you give people voice in
what's happening then
in my experience
um they don't have to use that power in
in other ways
so i guess that's how it's going
is there any questions we could answer
thank you so much to all of you uh
questions comments from the board
director morton
thank you both very much and and the
presenters mr poe and others
who presented
so i'm really curious one of the things
that
that we hear particularly around
reductions in exclusionary discipline
is
that okay you've taken
mostly from teachers and that you've
taken that tool
from me like that pushing you know
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removing
the child from the classroom from the
you know trying to
minimize the disruption what is the tool
that replaces it
and uh versus the uh uh you know the
kids just sent back to class where
there's this
yeah
you know unaddressed issue
we we have we
there is an addiction to suspension you
know it really is and and and if you're
gonna if you're gonna wean somebody off
of something you do got to replace it
with something and what we what we've
seen more of this year
with the circles
with the circles putting kids in circles
putting kids in circles you know
um a fight breaks out and a student um
is not responding to the adults that are
on the scene we want to put
not only does the student who he was in
the fight with he or she have to circle
up with that student but but any of the
kids that were around
right
are part of that circle so for the first
time the kids who were
not directly but indirectly and maybe
even once removed they get to sit in a
circle and say how they were how that
impacted them hey look that that scared
me you know i was trying to go to class
and i almost got knocked down
or if it was to maybe happen in the
classroom they get to say those students
who were indirectly once removed get to
say you know i was trying to learn you
know i was on my way to my doing my best
test
and we all had to stop taking the test
and and so and then the teachers get to
talk about how they were impacted look i
was really scared i i was this was
happening to me this is what was going
on so see those conversations didn't
happen in the days of just straight up
suspension we tried to create that most
principals tried to in the re-admit
conference tried to set that scenario
but you couldn't
we weren't going into the classroom
where the disrespect happened you know
i'll move away from a fight but where a
conversation got turned into an elevated
argument between two students you know
even that becomes a circle and talking
about
impact how was i impacted how my choice
is impacted and when students are saying
it to each other
you know when students are saying it to
each other as opposed to us telling us
how they impacted everybody else and
interrupted learning if i can get a
student to say you know what you
interrupted learning today and there are
kids who given the opportunity will say
that to their peers
but i think that we haven't allowed that
voice to come through
you know in the traditional public
school setting now i know in other
places other other schools some charter
schools sei they have those
conversations those conversations take
place
and
and
the payoff you get down the road
is way more than just this you see what
happens
yeah huge life skill huge huge huge life
skill
other comments
questions can we have is this who we're
asking questions over the lanzo coming
back i think you can ask questions
whoever you like i have questions and
comments go ahead can i just make a
could i make a comment to kevin before
he leaves i don't think he's leaving
i'm sorry yeah i hope not anywhere yeah
with the whole team here i had the
opportunity a couple of years ago to
meet kevin in a really
significant way which is when you were
over at hofsford
and you were working with your somali
population
and
there was a documentary made of your
work
and it was called lessons of war and
basketball
and if nobody's seen that
i would
ask us to make it available to every
portland public school employee because
it is so powerful
and the story that you just told reminds
me
of your ability to lean in
rather than to back away
and i just want to thank you
thank you thank you
if i may add there was another video you
made called the khaki dance
and i'm wondering if that affects some
credibility uh with the students
there are on youtube yeah what's
happening it's on youtube i know it's on
youtube
yeah
director beal you have a question
and
i'm really uh opposed to suspensions
uh
right down the line always have been
really i've never figured out why we
were helping kids by sending him home
to watch television or
do pornography on the internet or
whatever they're doing at home
what i'm going to say has to do with
kindergarten through eighth grade not
high school
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but we have three key strategies that
are outlined in the material that we
have
from
the administration here
first is
the
pbis cultural response pbs which is a
great program i'm a 100
poor we need to really sometimes we
don't
do it as well as we could
we kind of hold back a little on it but
that's a different
matter restorative justice i'm a huge
supporter i think it's wonderful the
restorative justice program that we're
doing
and
the new care teams i'm going to sit down
with lenzo and we're going to talk a
little bit about how we do that but that
idea is is a terrific idea but there's
some other things that the 40 years of
teaching that i had says are important
and one of them is that we have an
overall disciplinary
plan
a foundation in each school so it's
clear what we're doing
and
consequences are to some degree part of
that plan and and if we forget
they end up they're going to end up one
way or the other and so thinking that
through and making sure that plan works
that we already have in each school and
i found i've been in schools where they
had it and i've been in schools where
they haven't had it makes a heck of a
difference
if you do have you know because you have
to have that foundation at the school to
build on top of if you don't build on
top of that foundation then you can do
all these other things but they don't
work nearly as well because you don't
have the foundation that of how the
school's
set up and one of the things that's
critically important in that is to have
the
principals and the teachers working
together
and getting them as you said kevin
online with you and working together we
have a lot of conflict out there in our
schools we've had incredible conflict in
the past
look at the tail survey going back to
that again and look at how that all
works we've got to get rid of that
dynamic in our schools we have to have
everybody working together in each of
our schools another is we need to have
counselors we need to have people who
can take the time to sit down with kids
who are skilled at that and work
with specific children and help them
with their behavior that needs to take
place
we're still short of those uh we need to
have
that parent connection as linzo said
where you where we're really connecting
the parents in well into our schools uh
we have some real incredible struggles
and we work our tail off maybe to do
that but we've got schools i talked to a
principal that has
200 kids two or more grade levels behind
and they can't feel enough people in
that school to have a pta
well that's going to make that makes
that tough it makes a tough go in that
situation we also need to have good
solid wrap-around services that we need
to put together better than we have so
we know where to go and how to get that
that group of people who can support the
the family of the chill of the children
in our school the families and help
children make those transitions we need
to have
engaging activities and things that tie
kids into school i taught in woodburn
for five years years and years ago
and
woodburn
runs woodburn which has 90 percent
hispanic kids and they're not it's not a
very well to do community they're
running
ninety percent approximately graduation
rate
and
they had an article on in on in uh
in oregonian here the last week and they
asked the pro the superintendent what
are the things you're doing boom boom
boom boom i have a friend who taught 30
years in woodburn and he's a terrific
teacher
and
he went and asked
one of the people who works there what
how come you're doing how come what are
you doing in woodburn that's getting 90
i mean gee money it's off the charts and
he said we're trying really really hard
to involve kids in athletics and
activities and things that tie them into
the school and get them going well we
charge kids 200 bucks to play a sport in
this school system
we don't have any athletics in
hardly at all we're starting to do it
but we need to really do it and get and
say this is an important part of the of
this
idea where we're going to get the
disparities down we're going to
increase
our children doing a better job in
school we need to
do our hiring practice i've keep
i've talked for years actually since
1981 about a hiring practice that would
help us with our hiring of hiring more
teachers of color
and i still can't get us to really get
serious about we doing our own thing but
it's not
quick enough early enough or hard enough
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we've got
the
we need those teams to put together like
hillsborough has
and we're doing that's more high school
we need to think about it particularly
in the middle school where we put teams
together to work with individual kids
and support them and get and work with
them in that manner
more than we are and the last thing we
need to teach kids to read early on and
in order to do that we need more reading
teachers we need librarians and we need
all those things and
my concern is
in in the board book we've got three
things that we're doing and they're all
culturally relevant they're all good
things but it's not going to do it if
that's all we do we have to do these
other things too if we're and we will do
them if we're genuinely serious about
getting this disparity is disciplinary
disparity the school the prison pipeline
if we don't do those things too we're
not going to get there this other stuff
will really really help but it doesn't
it's not going to get us there and if
we're serious about it we'll put all
this stuff together and we won't do it
in 14 schools these things i'm talking
about we can do in all schools we could
do them in all schools tomorrow to some
degree and
that's my feeling about it and
people can say well too bad you don't
know anything but
yeah i spent a long time in school and i
and i've thought a tremendous amount
about this and these other things are
also critically important
to do not just
what we're doing around the culturally
relevant stuff but these other things
that support it that allow it to be
successful because it's not going to be
successful solely by itself it's only
going to be successful if you have the
cauldron that you can put it in and it
will go throughout the whole system so
that's what i think about it thank you
very much for
allowing me to talk about it
first i just want to say thanks for the
presentation um
and
i can't help but say i appreciate the
progress we're making
and we saw only seven years worth of
data and i bet that if we looked back at
1970 or 80 something when some of the
members
who are either presenting or still on
the board or back on the board
the numbers haven't changed
significantly that this is still a
disparity it is a it is a different way
you pointed out mr bacon right used to
be corporal punishment now it's
expulsion
what will we come up next um
so i appreciate that and while there are
three outlines um three three things in
the memo that we talked about
restorative justice culturally
responsive pbis
and the care teams
restorative justice first of all
somebody i really respect one time said
be careful about programs because
programs come and go
but what i like about restorative
justice and or restorative practices
right is it works on the relationship
it works how do we store restore that
relationship and so my worry when i read
the the memo a little bit is
it feels a little clinical
which
as i as i read it reflects a culture i'm
very familiar with but
may actually be adding to the disparity
which i feel like is much more
relationship based so i was really glad
to hear you mr poe talk about mentorship
i know that i also heard you talk about
the student assistant coordinators and i
think we have a couple over here and i
think about how important it is and mr
bacon you just gave an example mr waters
you just gave an example about how
important it is that
we have staff that are building those
relationships every single whether it's
the secretary when you come in or it's
those teachers and that takes a lot of
personal work the leadership that i just
heard you talk about mr bacon
i've heard some folks even on our board
talk about
well we have to have the authority
figure and there has to be a base from
which to go
and what you just demonstrated is that
you can be an authority by being
vulnerable and expressing and being open
to hearing the feedback from a student's
perspective of what they've experienced
or a parent's perspective and just how
important that is and that is
similar to what i remember um what i
imagine i wasn't around in the 50s so i
imagine 50s classrooms right kids are
all in desks they're quiet teachers
imparting their knowledge on it on them
and if you walk into a classroom today
it's very different it's noisy kids are
engaged they're going from station to
station they're moving
teachers are not always direct
instructing they're setting up
opportunities to
for kids to learn
and what i just heard you describe is is
a is a an entire culture shift and so i
just want to focus and say thank you for
highlighting that and that was
relationship-based that it was important
that um you just set an addiction to
expulsion which i really find
fascinating
because i i think there's a corollary
and addiction to power with that that i
need to send that as i who are you to
challenge me
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and what i want to ask um the
professionals whether it's you um to or
whether it's again some of our folks in
the audience that are working with our
staff
um not everybody is ready for that shift
not everybody might even be capable to
make that shift
how do we help support those or do what
tools can we offer you
to make sure that that shift happens
because i don't want to come back in
seven years
and see now that we're down to something
and somehow we still have disparities
so
what i would say about that is
we we approach the adults who aren't
ready in the same way that we approach
children who aren't ready to be in the
classroom appropriately with love and
understanding and by being honest and
vulnerable i mean if adults don't feel
safe and this is this is where mr bacon
is
um
i mean i've got a great deal of respect
for him and the way that he leads is
through vulnerability
and we can't set up a system where
adults are afraid to be honest
i mean and that's what i would say just
the same way that we're treating the
kids
i just want to add this part of and i'll
go back to the central place of the
whole purpose of what we're doing around
equity
is to create that kind of culture one
that respects and understands the
perspectives of all cultures to build an
inclusive district so therefore you
start to build the kind of cultures that
take for people to be vulnerable but
also understands what that looks like
amongst in between different cultures so
that's the important piece of work you
have to scaffold this up now everything
that this district will do that will
impact
on discipline is done here it's what we
do in third grade reading because if we
get kids to read
we have less need for them to have the
issues that they have in school so often
kids are acting out in school because
they can't read or follow the work
that's in front of them
and if they can't read and after not
being suspended
then we surely can't get them to
graduation so you have to scout so
that's a part of all this and you won't
see it in one singular place but it is
the work that we're trying to do to
bring it all together
and working with all the folks who see
it
those who don't see it those who resist
it but i will say this
most of the folks that i encounter have
the same goal they want the best for the
kids we just have to as the teacher said
with love and understanding bring
everybody to the point that we're
working on this collectively and we have
a chance bringing it down now we're
accelerating i think we can get there i
mean that's
not being too pollyannaish but it is an
experienced viewpoint so i just
thank you
are there comments questions just some
directionals just short thank you um and
thank you all i'll echo everybody else
thank you all for your presentation
really appreciate that
um
and i was actually in and visited with
valencia a little bit yesterday because
i had gone through my board packet and
um i have a um
i'm very supportive
of pbis and restorative justice and the
work that you guys are doing and it's so
nice to hear you really put it out there
for us to how hear how it's actually
working in your school
that's uh it's very helpful for us as
board members to hear the practical side
of it what's really happening
but i will go back to the same questions
i was asking alenzo yesterday and that
is
we're not in all of our schools with
pbis
we're not in all of our schools with
restorative justice if we really believe
that these programs are the kinds of
programs that will help our students be
successful
i think we should be investing in them
at the same level that we're investing
in our other work like our equity work
to make sure that that they are in all
of our schools um and so i will
come back to the superintendent
i know this isn't your budget hearing
today
but
i will be looking for the numbers that
it takes for us to have these programs
in all of our schools not just in
our priority and focus schools because
i can see from what you guys are saying
and what we're seeing in the numbers
that we have in our charts so i can see
where the successes are and
these programs are resulting in success
for our students so
let's
stop messing around with other things
and let's move forward and do this
all right
what else did rodriguez
um i had a question about the student
support coordinators because we've
talked here about trying to add
social workers to our schools trying to
decrease the student to counselor ratio
in our schools
and now we have student support
coordinators so
what qualities or experience do you look
for when you're hiring a student support
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coordinator and
if we have some here i'd love to
understand as we're going into our
budget
i'd love to hear from you
what you need from us
if any of you are
um
good evening my name is dunya minou with
the office of equity and partnerships
and so i want to make sure that i answer
the question as i heard it so what the
their title is student assistance
coordinators okay so i just want to make
sure that we're clear on that um and so
their job really is to be assisting
students so what are we looking for um
we are looking for the qualities and
attributes
that um
our students need so um we've got two
here this evening we have theodore
um and then we also have maurice um that
are both in the audience today working
in four of our schools so um it's pretty
obvious one of the things both of them
are african-american gentlemen so we are
really being focused in terms of a
culturally responsive lens so that they
also have the attributes of working with
students before
mentoring leadership
being able to walk alongside both
teachers and students and being able to
mediate
and
lead groups and facilitate different
both individual work with students that
have been overrepresented in suspensions
and expulsions but also group leadership
because we know leadership and voice
matters so that's really what we're
looking for within our student
assistance coordinators
some questions so um mr waters a teacher
who was here earlier yes um mentioned
that he thought they needed another
person in each school would these would
this position be similar to what he
sounds very similar to what he was
talking about
i would want to ask more questions
before i would say a definitive yes but
i think that a lot of what the student
assistance coordinators do
can be very helpful because the idea is
to improve both individual students
relationship and how they view education
as well as then working on school
climate issues so again the leadership
type pieces so it's both individual and
stu school focused and in some of our
schools we have student assistant
coordinators we have restorative justice
coordinators we have a range of support
personnel that provide that kind of
linkage between schools administration
students and families
uh also again part of the skill and the
notion that you to do wrap-arounds our
partnerships with our sun system and
other partners to bring that together to
couple all these folks together to give
the kind of support that students needs
and their families need the times it is
critically important to make that happen
so we're doing a variety of things
including our community partners to make
that available and make sure that those
wrap around services are there
so just if i could give the latest of
the hour maybe i would propose that i'm
hearing a request that as part of our
budget process we do have additional
detail on what expansion or um
strengthening that system and
coordination would look like i think
that could do that uh director what did
you say to us
yeah just real quick um you know
sometimes from uh
i come from a perspective because i you
know my day job is is working with some
of our
students within pps but also pillow
within uh
uh within other districts around the
four county area that
um
have often times the deepest disparities
are the kids that have been kicked out
or the kids that um have been left
behind and uh
so i
you know i think of
you know as as director buell mentioned
i think of recommendations of
we need another
reading teacher or we need a librarian
and and that recommendation isn't from
my frame of reference
going to bring the kid to school
who has been dropped out or kicked out
but
but i bring that up as an example of
what you're describing as scaffolding
and how
that is
a critical
component of the overall success of this
student but i think we really have to
understand and i i want to draw
attention to how closely related this is
to
our equity policy our racial educational
equity policy and our equity work
there are
expectations that need to be met and
there are resources that need to be
spent
on students in a different way
who have a in as i understand um at
least in the native community um a
damaged
multi-general
generational relationship with education
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and i know
um that that's not very different from
the the communities who experience
similar disproportionate discipline
rates and and so on so um
so not to mention the importance of
creating some sort of relevance
and in
in their education and that i will
continue to sort of beat that drum
of
that relevance exists when students come
to school and see
and build relationships with individuals
who look like them and who understand
uh the the experience that they come to
the school
so i want to thank you for that and that
scaffolding comment i think made
a it
you know switched a light on for me so i
appreciate that um and i appreciate the
work that that's happening certainly
although you stole one of my staff so
i'm not very happy we're really excited
about it though yeah
you would know this i think carol what
was the name of that we used to have a
person whose job in the school was this
was back before you were born greg we we
used to have a person in the school
whose job was to work on the
educational culture of the school what
did we call them we had them they would
sit down kevin you you remember what
what did we call the people we had
we had like 30 schools had those
uh you think about the immigration
coordinators no it was bad it was back
when basically the job of the of the of
the that person was to sit down and work
with kids on
liaison
no it was actually a person well
we maybe we may we may not resolve this
question tonight if someone thinks we
had them in 30 or 35 schools you
remember the lens of what i'm talking
about but i can't say the name i might
have a specific name of them and we had
them all over the place yeah and they
and the the point is they worked
they did what
people were talking about which we had
with the the principal uh the teachers
that i've talked about a wriggler the
person that they took out of wrigler
worked it was really helping the culture
of the school and having and helping
children do better and get along better
behave better all that comes together
and that was really working we used to
have a program district-wide that did
that out at elementary school well
hopefully we can build back to that yeah
it would be a nice thing it's all i i
think that's a good place to to look so
good place to build back thank you so
much to the entire team i'll just add my
thanks and comment briefly that um
especially hearing principal voice
teacher voice speaking your truth is
really really valuable and so thank you
for arranging that and for all the
community partners who are here
um
and you know it was comment was made at
the beginning of the meeting in public
comment that we lack a vision i feel
like mr poe and the entire team
articulated the vision for the district
really well so maybe we just need to
write up your comments and put them on
the front page of our website um
but this that's it right and
so thank you
okay we have one more piece of business
to wrap up the evening um first a second
reading of our anti-harassment policy so
a first reading was held in the amended
anti-harassment policy on january 20th
2014.
after 21 days of being open for public
comment the board is now ready to vote
on proposed amendments and jolly
patterson our general counsel is here if
anyone were to have any questions
so let's now consider resolution 5019
resolution to adopt revised
anti-harassment policy 4.30.060-p
do i have a motion
second director belial moves and
director knowles seconds the motion to
adopt resolution 5019. miss houston is
there any citizen comment there's not
there is not any board discussion
director buell
i have two questions on under section 5
procedures
and the reason i kind of have this
question
is that i had a person i know whose
daughter was getting harassed at school
and
and was uh
getting harassed online on facebook and
so forth and so forth and he went up to
the school and this was not a portland
school he went up to the school and said
look my daughter's being
harassed and bullied at school including
some physical bullying and so forth and
he couldn't get in to talk to the
principal at the school couldn't get in
the vice principal just
washed them off the counselor was
miserable so this is not about portland
school could you just i'm sorry could
you just ask the question really quick
i'm sorry
no it's statement
oh i think you'll be able to get the
bill i thought you had a question
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yeah i'm talking to the resolution
okay you know you said comments or
questions
there's a comment okay i'm sorry i
thought it was no that's perfectly okay
and so the uh
so the the
the parent goes up and but the parent
doesn't want something down the line
he wants it stopped right now
he wants the school to do something
right now period
that's that's he wants
two days one day he wants to be called
back and he wants and that's what you
want as a parent and when i now when i
look at this anti-harassment policy in
that light this isn't it doesn't
it's not quick enough
we talk in section two it says
we shall assure it is promptly
investigated but we don't say
what promptly means can is probably two
weeks or three weeks or is it a day we
don't know and then down below complain
that's not satisfied with the decision
the school level may request a review of
the decision by following the
appropriate step in the complaint
procedure and our complaint procedure
takes up to 120 days so if if my friend
whose daughter was being harassed this
week
she's a senior
she's going to be out of school in 120
days so it doesn't really respond
itself to the problem
the only thing that will respond to the
problem is if the superintendent will
explain to her principles what promptly
means
and
actually what happens if
nothing is done is it 120 days this this
person has to wait well this person's
got their lawyer going
tomorrow if they don't hear back and
they're going to win the lawsuit no
sweat because they're not doing anything
for these days so and this doesn't i'm
just saying we need to think about that
and and look at it and make sure that
this
policy actually responds to that type of
a situation which is the 90 of the
situations who sends her kid to school
is being bullied and says oh i'll wait a
couple months and maybe you'll have it
figured out by then nobody does that so
thank you for that comment any other
discussion
all right the board will now vote on
resolution number 5019 all in favor
please indicate by saying yes yes yes
yes
i'll oppose please indicate by saying no
any abstentions okay resolution five
zero one nine so food by vote of six to
zero with student representative jazz
while voting yes yes
all right and i don't know if um
director regan is still with us i think
she wanted to share a brief report from
her trip to washington dc
but
if maybe we can hear that at a future
date
um i'll say while we're waiting for
director reagan to rejoin us um just a
reminder to everyone if you haven't
already taken the school school
improvement survey either online or on
paper at your school please do so
we still have time for that and we want
to hear from everybody i know staff is
poised to do outreach to lots of folks
please mark your calendars for friday
april 3rd for portland public schools
parent
advocacy day in salem and we continue to
remind folks the importance of that
thank you dr ball for pointing that out
to me so for folks who are still in the
audience at home watching this please
look for opportunities to go to salem
and advocate for schools
and
finally and following up on the recent
series of extensive series of town halls
which folks have been calling us for we
actually just had a series of eight of
them throughout the district they were
very successful so we're going to have
another series of town halls
with the community around our budget so
look for information on that so um any
other business bobby i believe you
wanted to briefly share a report from dc
i know i know it's wonderful news but
just because we're all i was actually
going to give a pretty full report but i
think we're all pretty exhausted so
stand up for public schools is a button
i brought back from washington d.c i was
just at the
national school boards association
advocacy trip
we
there was eight school board members
from the oregon school board association
who went back and we do this every year
meeting up with 800 school board members
from around the country to lobby on a
variety of issues and what i love about
the trip is when you talk about the
equity work that we do
the federal budget is only about seven
percent of our budget but the federal
budget is supporting
our
poorest and most disadvantaged students
so if you think about our title programs
for high poverty students our ells
students are supported through federal
dollars special ed students head start
students you know kids wanting college
loans
um you know that's what we are back
there
those are the students that were back
there trying to
support
and so we
ended up
talking with
the oregon delegation
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we had breakfast with both of our
senators which was amazing suzanne
bonamici was a keynote speaker at the
entire nsba conference and got a
standing ovation she by the way is
introduced a bill
called smart
which is support making assessments
reliable and timely
so it's a bill where she would actually
offer
they would offer grants to states to
do an assessment of
their assessments
and to see if there's redundancy and to
see if there are some tests that you can
get rid of anyway we did our usual
lobbying around the
individuals with disabilities act trying
to get more funding for that the
reauthorization of the esea the
elementary secondary education act as
well as the healthy
healthy hungry free kids act
and the final one is around uh secure
rural schools and timber payments and
the fact that our rural communities are
just suffering so much because the
timber payments have dried up so
without going into more detail
it was a it was a really good trip again
thank you so much to you and the others
oregon school board members for making
that trip and for speaking out for our
students
thank you so much all right so with that
the next meeting of the board will be
held on tuesday february 17th and this
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