2022-01-21 PPS School Board Policy Committee Meeting

From SunshinePPS Wiki
District Portland Public Schools
Date 2022-01-21
Time 09:00:00
Venue BESC Windows Room
Meeting Type committee
Directors Present missing
Load video
YouTube


Documents / Media

Notices/Agendas

Materials

Minutes

None

Transcripts

Event 1: 1/21/22 PPS Policy Committee Meeting

00h 00m 00s
ailee for being here this morning um so this is a a replacement for the meeting that we had scheduled before um and the reason why we push the meeting day back is to allow for more time more discussion between um the the parties and i want to say the size because that implies that there's different sides because i think one of the things that we left out of the last meeting was agreement on where we wanted to end up um and sort of general direction but uh not necessarily in the same place on um on the actual language um so there's been a lot of discussion and i really appreciate both the um community members who've been advocates for the um for the policy and an army of staff people who have engaged around the discussion about um you know how to get to a place where we were on the same page about language um maybe sit on the same place about what we're trying to accomplish uh so hopefully this morning we'll have to be able to walk through sort of where we are and i think we are fairly close fairly close to a proposed um consensus amendment that would uh that reflect sort of agreements by um staff and the advocates on a more specific language so during the several weeks there was time for an opportunity for language to kind of go back and forth and also i think it was very helpful at the last meeting for aaron to walk through all of these specific provisions so that people can hear about what why staff was making recommendations either for alternative language or to delete things or to move things so that was really helpful like i said even though it took a long time to go through to i think giving the um some of the community advocates an opportunity to hear the thinking behind staff's recommended edits so really appreciate all the work that's happened um interim as that before so that will be the primary focus of today's community agenda um but there may be just but we have more things on the agenda so i'm just going to quickly go through those this unless uh alien you have uh some objections i can share some things we can probably dispense with uh pretty quickly um so i'm just first of all is there's not has there been any um comments on any of the um policies out for you know i don't know is last i have not been made aware of any public comments that have been received are we following the agenda are you sorry i'm just confused because it looks like we're on point four right now those public comment period or are we gonna do the same i was um i'm hoping that we can just wrestle some things and then hermione will get to join us um the broader discussion i think we do introductions because i know i know staff but it's hard with math then yeah yeah sorry um it's okay i'm off it's nine o'clock in the morning it's not my four o'clock meeting so terry uh hi terry proctor communications department uh just providing this stream to the public to do the meeting today good morning aurora uh kimel and i'm with the office of teaching and learning hi patrick lev director of projects and construction facilities so aaron pressworks requested me i'm kind of standing in for him uh daniel t my friend liz large contractor general julia from edwards remember a lottery board member rachel mentioned carol eagle here and then um jonathan garcia chief of staff and claire hurts deputy superintendent
00h 05m 00s
and then jane why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself um i know you're here for the climate piece but go ahead hi good morning i'm jane coleman i'm a pbs parent and climate change advocate great thank you okay i'm gonna have to get very synced up because it's not popular [Music] [Laughter] [Applause] oh [Music] is there any update on the um the conduct and discipline policy uh there's an update but it hasn't changed much so their the pps and pat went through the planned ibb sessions and did not finish and so it was supposed to be done in november they are in the process of scheduling additional sessions in order to be able to solve this pat has asserted a desire to roll this into success or marketing and we have said no that's not what the deal was but there is no that process is not completed what is the fundamental i mean is the issue still that teachers feel like this policy doesn't necessarily express all of their needs i mean what is the piece that's pulling this off the most so it's broader than this policy they're looking at article 9 of the collective bargaining agreement it's about teacher safety it's how these this policy the student handbook and those provisions all work together so that makes sense yeah that should be probably noted for the record it's been in um 2019 yeah i mean i remember when we is when we had the first reading yeah yeah yeah um okay thank you for the update um is there anything we can do to help uh i mean i think this is a really vital important thing for our students so is there anything we have to do to help uh move this conversation forward or i mean i think part of it is with covet we sort of still worked on this but the discussions with pat were focused on open response and cdl and hybrid returning and all those things so um right i don't know that there's anything specific that the board can do right now there is a defined process right we just need to conclude and it's taking much longer than anything yeah okay now i'm going to skip over oh well actually um i think we can do these two items act pretty quick okay let's do it good good morning uh director um green or because we're in a committee uh it's in more informal so first names um most people object uh we have done introductions uh hermann and we're gonna just briefly there's two policies that um because of legislative changes uh we need to update our policies and i'm going to ask um liz to give an update on them they're in the packet and one uh is an amendment of the non-discrimination anti-harassment policy and the second is a small change also to the graduation requirements policy excellent good morning everyone and i do apologize for being late no problem you got here just right at critical moment good morning so uh policy 1.80.020 you'll see the red line change this this is just a legislatively required expansion of the definition um of what physical characteristics of race made um how that may appear in um in any context in our our programs or buildings so uh or any others across the state this is not limited to educational settings it i think it's called the crown app it is called the piranha and it's it really um focuses on that race includes physical characteristics historically associated with greece including limited hair texture hair type protective hair styles it's an important change and we want to make sure our policies and does this help provide protection so that if we're um
00h 10m 00s
i know in other industries and places um different hair types have sort of been banned or prohibited so this part of the reason for this change is to help uh put in place protections in other industries for natural hair i think all yeah any questions sherman about the the revisions okay either either on mute are there's none um is there any objection to uh moving this to a first to a first reading let's do it okay director dr green are you okay with that ominous i'm gonna assume that you're okay otherwise um so we'll move that to the face okay all right there we go thumbs up okay great uh the second policy that has um uh is 4.20.042 diploma requirements these are also legislatively mandated changes on this one so i'm going to like rachel yeah so um language arts language arts is replacing english um and then for this is by the way this is policy 4.201.042 diploma requirements um so and then the other part of this new statute temporarily suspends the requirement for um it's suspended as a requirement for a student to show proficiency and essential skills until 2024. um in our policy under uh proficiency credit it just we our policy says that we uh followed the staff statutory law so we didn't feel like we needed to remove or add language sun setting it um and we our policy indicates that we allow students to show proficiency but we don't require that so we felt like that change was unnecessary then in 2024 in the event i knew you know they make this permanent or do something different we can read it right so we don't need to make the essential skills change um and just for the for the record it's not that the the content of what is um that the content area is necessarily changing so it's language arts um but just changing the name of it um which to be a people exclusive right language arts may be delivered in lots of different languages in other words languages right yes and then the half credit of civics is that just clarifying that then students are required to take uh civics i believe so yes that's another that was the last long session that that one passed yes um any questions director herman can't hear you no we still can't hear you okay no questions um bailey do you want me no i'm great okay um are we comfortable moving this to our first reading and i want to say like even though the proficiency skill piece isn't there i mean that people said you know oh then everyone's just going to graduate high school but i think kids still have to pass classes yeah to graduate high school it's not like there are suddenly no standards and i think we also know as we talk about um being more equitable and what does girls look like what's proficiency look like and how is their bias in the tools that we're using especially given the pandemic but i think you know we're not saying that suddenly a high school diploma is meaningless in oregon we're saying that kids still have to test classes here are the classes they need to pass and this is what it takes to go yes and then that there's more than one pathway to you yes and that it's uh at the state level of suspension of it not a elimination of it right but all together uh okay so um i think we'll send it out uh
00h 15m 00s
herman if you're good at that yes thank you i was going to ask for the sign um okay so uh those two if you can get them is it too late to get them on the next uh is it to this tuesday i heard the agenda's very light next tuesday the packet went out yesterday so i think we would be kara can you confirm when um shared to pass whether these can be added yes to the agenda i think that would be a great idea this friday never mind i only ask that i miss those again i'm sorry i can't like stay here um i only asked about next tuesday because yesterday roseanne said it's a very wide agenda it seems like um these could be things we could get real um do it instead of putting it on like a super heavy original yeah um thank you karen can anybody hear me now all right perfect okay um now i'm going to go to number four has there been any um just going backwards it's great yes or has there been any comment on um the policies are out and the only one i would imagine potentially is the district student council policy yeah okay uh so we'll just keep moving those through the comment um so now we'll get to the the climate uh i think these will all be us for a second reading both tuesdays right so those three policies will be up for a second on tuesday uh not the not the student rough one right the other two doesn't keep the student right i think they're all up okay i think well the student is not going to be sorry because we just passed it the last okay so workplace harassment and the two positions all right yeah maybe i'll circle back with the district student council but last time when i presented the um but jackson presented the changes to the student policy there were a lot of questions and discussions and an offer to they had post amendments or comments they could offer it and i haven't heard anything about yeah i'd say it was a very it was a great discussion i wasn't it wasn't clear that people necessarily felt like i needed to be changed it was more tell us yeah tell us and finals are next week so some of our high school students might be preoccupied so maybe it's until the eighth right so um we are trying to keep it on track just so that you can inform the spring election so so that we have that set before the spring um i'm just saying if you're going to circle back to the dsc you might want to wait till the first they may be more responsive after post files just based on the high schooler in my house environmental scene it's good it's always getting good to get that temperature check yeah um okay so now we're going to go to the agenda item that is the primary focus this morning hermione before you got on i explained a little bit about the process that we've gone through and maybe just a slightly um deeper dive but we uh after the last meeting where we had the draft policy which was sort of version 25 and as a committee we talked about some changes that have been incorporated and then um but there was still a pretty big gap in terms of the language between uh the um the community members who had been involved in the original drafting and um the staff language and so the last several weeks have been spent first went to the community members who've been involved in this and asked where that after they heard the presentation at the committee meeting were there things that um they agreed were either duplicative that alternative language could be found or that once they heard the staff rationale um that they agreed with the stat language and um they came back with a pretty significant i i thought a lot of movement towards um agreement on either a similar language agreement on some duplication or like a different approach staff then went through the same sort of exercise but in addition to uh but also in reaction to what the community members have came up
00h 20m 00s
with and there was an opportunity for some exchange of language of like here's what we think you're trying to get at or here's a different approach and so from that what we have is there's there's two documents posted in the documents today that you all have and one of them is a document that is the [Music] cons that can propose consensus amendment and then they're embedded in that is also highlighted areas where there's not alignment yeah on language and then secondly because that that document is really pretty hard to follow um but this was a really good attempt to get after the version control issues from earlier so to try and make it look as a to capture in its totality what the what the proposed consensus amendment would do is it's been now dropped into version 25 and that may be the easiest way to walk through it um and absolutely i just want to clarify that the highlighted places are not consensus correct and everything else is consistent correct okay so really we need to well we need to go through the whole thing and make sure we're on board with the staff community consensus but then the highlighted faces are the places we're going to really have the most robust conversation exactly okay so what you know what in three sentences you just captured that like three weeks of work however i do it and i i do believe that i mean even places even where we're at the yellow there's a couple places where it just got down to um i may have it wrong like there may there may be consensus but i didn't want to indicate it unless you know for sure i was absolutely sure um like i say some places i think there's just like agree to disagree right now so which of the three documents in board books are we gonna do you wanna go to the clean version is that the most complete thing for the highlighted one well i think that maybe just from uh the easiest way to like um so it's in context is to go through the version and i don't because i'm looking at my computer the one that's the version 25 with the an amendment embedded in it okay it's just going to walk over side it's the second document so there's the there's the ccrpt yeah it's the third one in board books herman yeah i got them both open so i'm good okay i've got pink and yellow um and not to say i live in a black and white world all the individuals who the last couple weeks have sort of gone through what could be considered a super tedious process to get to this what i think is like we're almost like 85 90 let's say 95 the other day i'm giving our bad side yeah we're there awesome um so on the first uh maybe it might be easier for me to if everybody else is going to be on uh um so the very first thing was um and i think how i'd like to do this is just at a high level like trying to hit the larger points um and then either ask jane or whoever the relevant staff is person is to just walk through it but hopefully we can um kind of go through the at the high level that there is a consensus and again for the committee members to uh just be comfortable with what the discussion was or ask any ask any questions we'll have so the very first thing is um there's two paragraphs that are added to the intro and
00h 25m 00s
um this was based on some discussions um with student staff and the advocates about the uh the language to it's the first document the first paragraph as the district works to meet these climate sustainability goals and targets will maximize minimize and take actions to reduce carbon emissions increase sustainable practices for alternatives that's hilarious that is a hilarious sentence the district will maximize and minimize i mean i understand what it's saying so but it is it is okay kind of we're going to do all the things well what we're trying to do i know we're going to maximize we're going to i mean that's great i have these things that i was going to bring this morning and i totally forgot this says you're silently correcting my grammar i'm not silently crying and i'm not correct so what we're trying to do is instead of having the qualifier we're feasible right which really is a big right like could be a beauty as a big escape hatch or it could be viewed as an important qualifier to try and say what does where feasible mean and so it's really something we're going to maximize in some places we're going to miss larry if you have you could think i didn't think it's humorous yes um i was focusing on the second half of the sentence which is really like attempting to put like what are the qualifiers it's not just like that's not feasible but yeah it's not useful because technology doesn't exist or doesn't it's not visible because it's not cost it's you know it's not competitive or it doesn't actually help us reduce programming yeah so that's that's what we're trying to get at and now that's perfect you know a friendly amendment on no no i don't want to change it because i think it's brilliant and i want it to be in every policy we ever passed because it's great yeah and every time we read it we'll be able to chuckle a little bit full of laughter so we gotta we gotta get it in when we can um and then the second know i think it was like a contact setting piece that was added and again this was um a staff um edition that originally had they had suggested as to be part of the actual like one of the policy items and it was around the um it was in the transportation section and what we've done is we moved it up to the beginning of these functions instead of having assumptions embedded in the policy policy it's sort of like this is part of the framework and so um it acknowledges what i think the the committee um acknowledged as part of that transportation discussion is that there are some things that actually have to happen some that we control some of the community controls and some that innovators control that um need to happen or need to help facilitate uh our the district staff being able to hold yes being able to meet some of these targets so that's just language acknowledging what's a committee discussion um i'm noticing that on these goals we've deleted the district will so they're just bullet points um so that was a district staff suggestion and there wasn't an objection so i never asked anything about it but maybe district staff can say why they then it's they're sort of like fragments which is fine but i think it was a form over substance issues like what the policy requires that it doesn't um it doesn't harm the meaning of the items at all i was just curious why them it's not language that we see phrased that way in other policies yeah but this is structured differently than other policies as well in terms of the goals right yeah i mean it bgs will and then the three bullet points might make clear that it's pps who will be doing studies um so the pillar one which is reduce
00h 30m 00s
environmental impacts and costs this is really um primarily about a new um either modernizations or constructions and as everyone can see there's relatively uh few chains and say there was um agreement to tighten and then to do some duplicate duplications yes okay but we do have two highlighted areas the one about um there's the establishing the school-based tools and systems for staff i'm sorry i'm gonna pull her one i'm in favorable one point one julian oh i asked if you're hanging and okay dr green i like it i'm just reading through it right now i don't see any major issues okay um so let's go to goal 1.3 um this was uh some of this had been um the carbon sequestration was something we had actually discussed in the committee last last time and they had their environmental funds so we kind of worked on the goal last time uh we had again some just back and forth with uh on the language and uh an agreement to remove some batch things that may be viewed as actions under a larger strategy and then i think uh just something that phase out i want to i have to phase out the use of pesticides and herbicides um that is being eliminated primarily because it exists in another policy in the um and for what it's worth on goal 1.32 having owned a property in which um the city has um what the requirements are for storm water management um i think people could um should feel assured that the city has pretty stringent standards in place on stormwater management now so um in compliance with city code actually is my perspective a pretty high a high standard any any questions on goal 1.3 no that's good julia goal 1.4 this is the vehicles um okay so this is this in this area this there may be this is one of the ones where there may be agreement but at the last minute um i don't know if there was a um either a misunderstanding on my part um or maybe i've got it right now there is agreement um but i'm gonna ask parties but that's how it's been rewarded whether this the staff isn't i think staff is okay with this although you had asked to change school-based tools and systems to um school-based infrastructure and we had agreed to that so this is a reversion back to refinement either okay this was this was a four o'clock yeah so just to to be clear the goal that the goal would be establish school based with the highest yeah replace tools and systems with infrastructure you had asked for school-based infrastructure and we had said yes to that and i think where the difference is to get offered tools and systems and you could find school-based infrastructure and that's my recall of that conversation so i think staff explains okay um okay and then so i'm just gonna follow i'm gonna skip over uh the first sub goal which is awkward trying that movie passes for for a moment um because i think we have that wouldn't the wouldn't the established school base actually be the first circle
00h 35m 00s
yeah i'm sorry so i think it i think it should be the trimet thing should be two actually yeah um formatting yeah and then the i notice this is where i'm gonna put my grammar nerd on the first staff students to walk is should there be a it should be or yeah and or it should be and yep that's a uh yeah this is yeah so i'm going to come back about trimets in a moment because um i'm going to go down to number so there was general early agreement on everything and then the staff um came up with um on the to replace the um the idling policy because you already have one um but then an awareness campaign a staff said that they come back with language around the awareness campaign but because um of everything else going down around and because it got linked to this other piece i want to just ask jane and not to put you on the spot but in terms of the campaign side of things of the awareness campaign is this does this language work for you all yeah yes that 1.5 is fine okay thank you so we're we're back to um i think the one issue that is outstanding is my um where there wasn't agreement that i didn't realize until at the end of the day yesterday is the word incentives being deleted was being deleted from 1.41 because that was to be sort of the larger capture because the initially the advocates had um said we can take out number two because if you have incentives in that's the types of things we're thinking about so infrastructure would be things like school-based infrastructure would be like tv charging stations or covered bike racks those types of things things that we control not like putting bike lanes in the city streets um and then the incentives was more like if we gave you know tournament youth passes to high school students um and so i guess i'm going to ask jane whether um you know that's a deal breaker to take it out or if you want to speak to that and then you know give the staff an opportunity to respond i think i think you just summarized it well what our thinking is and and we i mean we'd really like to see incentives there that would be what we would ask for i suppose like some questions are and maybe it needs more definition what would an incentive be for students to tell a commuter or walk or fight so i think there's maybe just an ambiguity of how the business simplifies uh certainly providing tools and information and infrastructure would um the spirit of trying to like thinking about what you are saying um so incentive sometimes implies like something monetary which could be narrower um versus i mean that's what i sometimes think that incentive incentive where i'm wondering is danny just said tell a commute like for students like what about like actually it supports for example this the foundation providing students with a hot spot so the district providing hot spots to students so that they can engage in like they're not driving to something they actually participate i mean support so is a it's broader and bigger what i mean i think i like the i like supports better than just infrastructure because i think it also goes to some of the education and campaign works
00h 40m 00s
to help encourage people to fight and walk and take the bus actually i was going to say school-based infrastructure and supports okay i mean i mean i like having phones yeah is that something jane and i know it's not the exact word but would that could that include the things that you all um i think it's better than nothing for sure um like for students an incentive is definitely the try not pass um and for staff it could be similar like um you know sometimes people charge a nominal fee for for folks to park so that people who take transit aren't penalized like there's lots of different kind of small tools or or like i mean maybe an incentive is some sort of competition for students or like some sort of non-monetary reward but um yeah i think that supports is better than nothing as i said but we would still prefer incentives i think it just better describes what kind of tools are available to get people to change behavior i don't really like because i feel like it's going to um it's going to create a space for for there to be conversation and dialogue around haves and haves nuts um and so that's that's my concern with the word um with the word incentives incentivized we want to incentivize this those that have more of a warming ability to do um generally you know they they win those i just i prefer taking it out this is just something that we should be doing um because it is what's best for the community and so if we can figure out another way to to say it without um you know saying we want to incentivize this and because i i just again this is me personally verbiage words are important and i think it creates space for has and have nots so i want to echo director grain's statement i think incentive is through a white paradigm i think when we think about triment as a perfect example of the time it passes that is something that pps and our broader community is committed to because what we know is that our kids of color and our communities who live in poverty can benefit greatly from that so it's not an incentive it is a service an essential service that that we are committed to so i think differentiating the word as service versus incentive is much stronger and it it really centers the communities that we want to serve frontline communities particularly okay um great thank you um herman and jonathan for those comments um i think it's worth it's worth noting and i think um just having watched the tournament you've passed for a long time they're all it it hasn't always been the case that pps um has supported that and primarily because of the financial cost i mean and so there are um there are a lot of community members and like student advocates were the ones who actually who really made this made it i think become a very established like this is this important we offer but so i i want to recognize that i i know that advocates know the history that this hasn't always been like the thing that pbs always does um yeah and then pbs's defense um i wasn't there here at the time but it primarily was a financial issue um and the cost um i appreciate that director from edwards and i would just say that this administration is committed to to this effort so just want to for the for the record that uh this administration is committed i i know that there's a lot of history there but uh moving forward as long as we are in leadership we will continue to promote and support these efforts obviously with the with the full support of the board as the ultimate budget deciders here so i'm going to propose um that so just from a process standpoint i think what we will do is like go through this document and then we'll have it still outstanding things for us like that we can all think about over the next couple days um and that we'll uh go ahead and move then on
00h 45m 00s
at our committee meeting next week remove the final package and resolve final issues so um conceptually what i would plan to do on this is use language establish school-based infrastructure and supports um for staff and students and then um also and then delete the offer trimet youth passes and you know i think jonathan a very strong statement from the district that um that you'd like the one you just made of the district's intent um it will be important again because i think that hasn't always done the distribution like i'm hugely supportive of the trimet passes and i think it's something we should do and it sounds like giving that's something we're going to continue to do and especially the budgetary sort of decider but i think you know while i really am attached to this i think it's really once again it's putting such a specific thing in policy and we don't know how things are going to shift and adjust and we we want to um offer those supports offer that infrastructure and be agile enough to change um that staff's perspective is jonathan yeah so if this is not it's not because there's objective detail detail in the policy and i i do want to acknowledge staff also um receptivity to the word infrastructure because i know that initially caused some concerns about what does that mean uh but when we talked about specifically things that you know if you go to kellogg and you see all the covered bike racks and the fact that they're being used like those are ways that really the district can use with not a huge investment to really facilitate um things other than kids uh students feeding this school um in their cars and in some occupancy vehicles great um okay so goal 1.5 is around purchasing and again i really um i'm gonna take the first three because they are kind of the first three sub goals first because they're in a in a category and the fourth is somewhat of a different category so let's talk about that separately but the first three um it's the first two are really around purchasing and um there was a good discussion about how purchasing happens and how it's decentralized in the in the district um and what what's centralized and what's decentralized and what this policy gets after is really the centralized you know to first essentialize purchasing that there be um you know we use best practices and um our primary procurement person has been engaged in this discussion and you know how about for those big district purchases how we focus on environmentally confirmable purchasing and then the second place where a lot of purchasing happens is at the school base and it's much more diffused and so looking at how we can provide and i think the components of the previous language provided you know some examples of how the district staff centrally could support schools making um sustainable purchasing decisions and so that's what this tries to capture and i want to add just my own personal note here and this applies to this and many other things that um the policy should set a direction and i think you know no policy supposed to review them every four years but no policy you know if this actually ends up not heading us in the right direction so from my sense this is like setting the direction and one of the things i think the committee can look at that we're going to be it's going to be set up here is a committee that can look at like is this actually an effect an effective um does the policy effectively set the direction and have any impact or did the district just continue to do like
00h 50m 00s
operate as it did before um so i think we should all like pull that premise on on many of these that hopefully we've got it right and it's some ways assuming that intent it will assume also some transparency and oversight jane did you want to say something sorry i couldn't tell no no i'm good thank you i have thoughts about number two over there i'm sorry 1.52 well i just want to say i know that one of the things um we want to reduce paper usage of course but i think one of the things to have a conversation about is server usage and the carbon emissions from that that um you know there i've been reading more about the impacts of saving all of your emails and some of those things that that then means that there's computers for capacity and fans and electricity usage so um well i think we are moving you know i much prefer having everything in board books rather than the paper because of the reduction of paper usage i do think again as technologies change in our understanding of the way our lifestyle impacts um climate that we we are going to want to think about best practices around electronic communications um and what does that look like as technology shift and just that's that's a great point um [Laughter] you have the tools you need to work successfully and do the work well well i appreciate it because i i mean i my previous work environment there was like this practice called make the cut which is there is a point in time in which um you don't have to say okay the 15 drafts of a huge video file right and because that because saving those all goes over time so what i so to your point but also i think what i what i think we want is a combination between tech and legal on what publicly i would like to see you reading my mind yeah what preference do we have to keep and yeah for how long how long and maybe do that part of our training a lot i mean i think um deletion protocols need to be part of our trainings right like don't delete stuff unless it's okay but then don't just keep stuff to keep it forever because it does have an environmental impact i think we think it's all just on a screen but it does but and that may not be a conversation for this policy for dead day but i think as we're we're really serious about this work it's something we need to engage in as we move forward well this is what like okay so actually an email most of them not good not huge but when you do have say multiple versions of a big video file or 25 versions of a policy it's all i guess um but there are things that you don't remember right so it's a good point yeah email's probably not the place but but if we're sending video files if we're sending hopefully people are linking to websites that post the video but it i mean to think about how those things are happening yep and and does everyone need to keep it or is there a central repository and how do we do that but that's again not for this policy but i just think a long term piece about uh retention of electronic records help us like that for future so um just conceptually um herman and aylie are you you're okay with the the staff so this one and two now became where applicable used best practices related to centralized again that's what's the big ones that happen here and provide tools and guidance to schools to support sustainable high preferred products for myself as a you know conceptually i get it and i i agree with it i have no problem with it um i think the only the only concern that i have um one beside the the fact that i'm sure julia every time you go by any part trees start shaking because they oh yeah [Music] they're afraid that they're they're next um but yes she's so thorough hey i call her all the time because she's so durable but no one of the things i i do um think about as we start
00h 55m 00s
moving towards a more um technological age right um is the ease of technology and communication being manipulated um because anybody can anybody can type anything anybody can put create a website it's easier to edit um or to alter words on a page if it's an electronic page i i just being the conspiracy person sometimes i always think about how this is going to impact education if everything is electronic if our books are electronic and nobody is reading handheld books anymore if our if our lessons are all electronic and nobody is actually having to write anymore are we going to create a society where people don't understand handwriting we already don't teach cursive anymore so now most of the kids that are growing up don't know how to write in cursive so when you say sign your name they literally write their name because they don't know how to write in cursive so as we a lot of the stuff that we're doing and and we're putting in place are we are we comfortable with where this could be taking us um as we advance in society so i i just it's something that i consistently think about and since it came up um maximize recycled content and paper used um i just think my mind immediately went to the movie eli when books were banned and nobody was no nobody could read and then the one i was trying to get the bible and he got it and couldn't read it because it was in braille and so i mean it's my mind goes that to that kind of place and i just liked us to put it out there so i've never want to like be engaged in conspiracy theories i think that's a good point but and one that's like probably a larger discussion i think this is more about the just the mechanic the mechanics of it but which is not i think what you're uh i told you my mind wanders i i have a very vivid imagination i mean when i say vivid i see in not just color but 3d it's it's david that takes a lot of cloud space so that's the main the main uh area where there was not agreement here is a word maximizing recycled content and paper used and right i'm just gonna say i'm gonna want to think about this more between now and next wednesday because i this is like an important um concept and i the original thing things i heard from staff about the um you know not wanting it in there was the cost to schools that it would be they have a um yeah limited budget and if you have maximized recycled content um that it you know school budgets would be impacted by that and i guess i am thinking that there should be a way around that if because they're very historically has been a green somewhat of a green premium that you pay for for things and um but that's going to be true for almost everything everything we do especially initially and then a lot of times that like over time well not only are you accomplishing a larger objective but over time the premium so i guess i'm curious that maybe stuff could answer now or just think about it between now wednesday about why is there something that we could do that's not that is i think we can say that about a lot of things let's come across schools more when i really think it's like in district responsibility um i i think it would be best for us to come back i know that our purchasing department feels strongly about the implementation of this and what it means not my recall is it's not just a cost issue it's a it's a mechanics administration issue and i but i don't want to speak inaccurately about that um so emily courtney who's not here aaron who's been engaging with emily courtney is not here and so i'm now a really poor substitute for either them so um i'd love us to to come back with it on
01h 00m 00s
wednesday yeah with a more refined response i mean it wouldn't be good i said yeah um this issue what i know is that the staff position has not moved much over a year on this and i just i'm not going to be the person to convey why it's not because anyone's against that it's about the implementation of it and the expectations let us come back to you with more okay that makes sense because i will say this is i and if i think danny and jackson were here there are these things that they would say like students aren't going to see this thing but this is something they might like here are things that they might see well it's and certainly this effort to the extent hustle is included in environmentally preferable purchasing that's already been agreed to so when possible it is already contained in the first sub goal and again i just need to have some expertise about the identifying purchasing budgeting acquisition of the monitoring um the ability to even understand i mean so that's the so i think i i do think that number one says yes when possible do that that is an environmentally preferable purchasing model to use recycled content it's just signaling it out maximizing in front of it has different implications jane do you have anything you want to add to this um well i think i think we've heard one of the things we've heard before also is about uh an equity issue with with this paper and the cost which you mentioned but i mean another perspective on the equity issue is that that already exists in other ways i mean parents are asked to send in paper um to schools so it seems like wealthier schools would have easier access to those like little reams of paper and it it makes me wonder what if it became what if paper it's all it's such a high volume purchase and it's such it's one of the easier things to identify like here's a greener way to do this um if that became a centralized purchase you'd get a better price when you're purchasing in bulk and maybe it's on like a per student basis you get x number per year and then student schools would be responsible for anything over and above that would create an incentive for them to reduce their paper use or just i mean as this discussion illustrated there's always going to be a need for paper in schools um [Music] i guess i just would uh like i mean we feel pretty strongly that this should be in here there's such a huge carbon sequestration element to to trees and paper so and it is like i say a high volume um item for the schools purchasing so moving on to pillar to help improve health and wellness we um so i think if if we address and are okay with the established school-based infrastructure and supports um in color 1.4 then the number three comes out is that is that correct okay yes that's good so relatively few uh areas of non-alignment and this thing um staff has proposed removing 2.12 because it's covered by osha and there was agreement by the advocates to remove that so um that was one thing and then agreement on number uh 2.14 to it's not that we're not going to advocate and i think this would be alien and your committee then in our governmental committee it's not that we're not going to advocate but it's just like it's in new york policy yeah um like an advocacy strategy so moving on you might if i ask you a question or someone else a question about um number three and maybe it is not policy uh maybe it's not a policy issue but it's just a when we said they work with partners to promote the safe routes to school and invest in the on the walk and bike infrastructure so in my mind i'm thinking that we're talking about what you were talking um or maybe it was jane that was talking about um the the covered areas in the schools um those are good ideas definitely things
01h 05m 00s
that i feel like the more we have those in schools um then it sends that that nonverbal message to to students and staff that this is a safe place for you guys to to do that um but the safe route section where people are walking and where where do we fit in like homeless camps that are along people's walk to school because if you're asking people to walk to school or you won't even want to promote that people are walking to school then you have to think about where they're walking from the the paths the past that they might take and how is that going to come into alignment um where these uh where the homeless camps are especially since they're putting porta-potties out on these you know on the on the walkway because that's the easiest place for them to get to right but that also means that there's going to be a lot of high traffic area from homeless communities and so i just yeah maybe the policy committee isn't the place to talk about that maybe it's somewhere else but i was just curious if if that came up at all it didn't um but i think that's an excellent topic i don't know for the intergovernmental committee because really safe routes to schools is a partnership with the city um and other regional um entities is that something alien i don't know if you have something in our governmental party we didn't talk about in our government but we had state houses full of dwelling i'm gonna say ask me the question you were gonna ask well i'm just curious is that something like safe routes to schools that like is under like the broader jurisdiction because it's not something that we contemplated in this policy um is really the sake um because because what i would say is from thinking of policy is a longer term document um and that seems like a pandemic and a current issue that would be instead of addressing a policy would be through another committee i mean i think that that's a conversation either for staff or uh the interfaith government committee to have the city because they um they control two aspects of it that you don't have any control over right and i wasn't sure that it even fit here it just came to my mind when we started talking about um walking in safe routes right so it's i i'm not saying that this is something that has a policy we need to have something in place for and i understand this is the policy committee but with the staff in the room i i think what i was trying to do is just simply bring it up and then maybe someone could say to me oh herman we talk about this in this area or we talk about this in this place so not to say i want this staff on the phone or i want the people in this room to say this is what we do and this is how we do it but maybe just more educate me around where these conversations this particular conversation is taking place because that's why i would need to you know really run this question by you know i said it's not that the people in this room have to have that answer what i was going to say is fitting into that uh policy item that we did earlier about the incentives and supports about students walking and biking like as part of encouraging students to walk and buy or come to school in other ways safe routes to school would be would be a partner dan what were you going to add yeah and then i'm happy if we want to do that they're going to come here or otherwise kind of an update where we always stay proud so we coordinate with the city state drugs to school program uh we're actually going for grant with the city to bring on a full-time safeguards coordinator okay so we're going to have a full-time safe routes coordinator yesterday yeah i'll email courtney and ask to have an update on safe routes on the next ig agenda so we can do some some conversation herman about just exactly what you were asking where where to take those questions and how to further that and i think a piece of gap i think is there is something that freddie green just brought up was about the camps and some of those things the safe house program my understanding that that is outside their purview but we might want to have some staff to come and talk about what is it we do when we see those challenges and how do we try to work the city to have safe walking biking so i i think it's probably the same conversation they'll be two different pieces i think what i just heard is that this is definitely a conversation that is taking place in the intergovernmental committee and so it's for me it's it's good to i'm i'm happy that we're that we're talking about it that we're that we're communicating because this is a real
01h 10m 00s
issue um that we should all be you know and i'm sure we are all right and so i want to i want to get better meeting on wednesday okay i'm going to move so long because i should have came hey i should i should have came i should he came forgive i'll let me talk about forgiveness okay seven more times herman um just for the rest of the meeting i'm gonna really try and move this along as we have some big substantive areas to get through um so gold 2.2 um i believe we have consensus my only and this is this was another place at the end of the day yesterday i um i wasn't sure if we we had consensus or not on one item but i believe everything else the main the main adjustment in this area was there was a concern about the district um being directed to do things that were outside of its like core competency or mission so i think that the consensus language we have here gets us back to really like what is pps's role and what can it do to support our students and families in a way that is consistent with our mission and our work and our resources so this what i'm reading here is that our role would be to communicate the resources that others are offering whether that's the county or this city or the state but it's not our job to develop or provide those resources right for example like if it's safe in an earthquake like right pps is not going to be the leading response of the earthquake but we certainly are going to coordinate with all of our other regional partners right in the same way that there are other entities who have responsibilities um umbrella responsibilities so like absolutely we're gonna click it i mean i think i look at it like with covid we weren't necessarily the ones running the vaccine clinics but we were pointing people to them we were co-hosting in our buildings like that was a disaster that we we didn't do the thing but we were a partner in communication around the thing and offered some access so i mean i think that's kind of what i understand our role is does that seem like where staff is i think that's fair i think when uh we've we've offered up and coordinated with other researchers for shelters or eating children as well so i think that's i think that's one um so i i i know this is a question for staff do you have an objection to number four being included and this is more my virgin control i thought you guys had agreed to have it but then i wasn't sure i don't think so julia i think that um we had agreed to remove point four with a new language in point two okay that's right because they were we were redundant um our our suggestion was um we wondered if you would oppose in like modifying that statement in 2.2.2 to include the list of potential um weather events and natural disasters just to kind of like keep it in people's minds not to write off certain things it's just oh that's just weather like to to acknowledge that that's part of climate change events so it would be during climate related events and natural disasters such as welfare flooding drought heat waves extreme winter i know it makes it worry but i'm okay any any objection from staff could you say extreme weather events well i think it's when i heard james i was she wants it in there as sort of an instructive so that we don't become numb to the fact that this is normal that we continue to call out that these are climate events i would delete and others it's just a list of examples that doesn't yeah it doesn't mean okay objection and i think it'd be a great idea um to follow uh what jamie was talking about and i pray i'm saying her name right jane i've been saying jamie it's jane i suppose to add it to the um add it to the other one i think the number two and number four it um it is a little redundant but if we add the listings so that we have one we get
01h 15m 00s
really concise it's long but it's it's concise and we we took the number out so we have that i think i think
01h 20m 00s
uh um um there was agreement to remove this goal because um it was duplicative and covered in other places uh okay so pillar three i'm okay julia in the interest of time if we just focus on the places where there isn't consensus if we just talk about the yellow because i think we can read through and if we have questions about the other pieces ahead of the next meeting but i know you're you're time conscious so yep so let's just talk yellow so one thing i'm gonna do is like because i just wanna make i also don't wanna assume that like hey just because everybody just because the parties agree that can they be right number so um so you're telling me you're okay with the consensus yes um because what i was gonna do is because really the meat of the non-agreement is in in the next two but not the last one so let me just do a quick check um herman do you have any issues with goal 3.3 and the new agreed-upon language there's no areas of disagreement between staff and the parties you say go 3.3 right do you have any issues with the consensus language down at the bottom of the page yep no okay so we've checked on that one so um i appreciate the um offer to get right to the meat of it uh of what we've got left because the next two areas um public three goal 3.1 and 3.2 is where there was um the areas of um biggest disagreement and primarily in three front one so i'm gonna i'm gonna try and again like get us down to just the last issue so i'm gonna go to temporarily to goal 3.2 okay and um there's there's a fair amount deleted there was a referral to agree to delete because of the new language that was incorporated in the actual overall goal and um the the one so that i say there was agreement from both staff and the climate advocates the only outstanding issue my understanding was the climate uh advocates palsy advocates did not agree to the deletion of um 3.26 and dean i don't know if you want to speak to that or whether i actually or if this isn't i misunderstood the staff actually wasn't opposed to are you talking about the highlight here it doesn't say six there so i just want to show that provided yes sorry it's it's the staff perspective on this just to get to the need of it was that the actual goal statement 3.2 that that language covered covered the vast majority of what is in that highlighted test so it's not an opposition to the content it's that it's redundant of what's in the 3.2 gold itself when we deliver curriculum to students that we provide opportunities for students to probe underlying that's the definition of curriculum and the same as the learning opportunities so we felt that that was incredibly redundant for both the goal and the number one this was our reason jane do you is there something that you feel is fundamentally missing that is not captured by the high level rule and that requires i know there's a lot of discussion systems yeah i think you know in the spirit of the other the other items that were captured by the higher level goal we're we're okay with um deleting that item i i just like to note i'm pretty sure some of that language came from teachers on the climate justice committee so they may come back you know in public input and have something more to add to that but but i think for now we're fine with that that's um i think good good to know and it it may be um that you know as is during the public comment period and when we re-discuss it aurora maybe what may be helpful is for you to share sort of like from a from the curricular standpoint what the district is thinking because that that may um address the issues that the teachers probably um so it may be the context it's in so for now we're going to remove that but i do think aurora would be um helpful to like show how you you see that within that the broader goal i i want to make sure i understand the staff deliverable that she's just prepared to address it if it comes up or are you looking for something no i i think there's been an agreement to delete i think what jane has said is i guess before the language you need to write anything or just be prepared to address it i think and you know be in a dialogue with our teachers absolutely um sorry i think it was just my misunderstanding yeah no i think it's we need to be clear now on deliverables yeah um okay so that gets us to and i'm going to just fly per staff um well for all parties is i i don't know how the students will feel about this there's been a substantial amount we just and they may have appointed a point of view that is different from the parties who were consulted here and i say because it is specific to students um i just kind of use that space that we start our student reps aren't here today there's a fair amount of deletion and they may have a point of view okay so we're gonna get to color three um goal 3.1 and this is the area where we had the um i think the biggest gap in agreement and um for a variety of reasons and it may be there's read some proposed alternative language there's agreement on 3.11 so let me start with this there's agreement at 3.11 revising the language and then there is agreement on 3.1 for deletion is there any issue with that so that we can really just dive into two three and five i'm just kind of curious as to not that we need to move one way or another but just the curiosity around the word all why why did we feel it was it was it was necessary to remove the word all and just say pps staff that was a pp that was a staff recommendation that was agreed to it i'm just curious around it like i think i think that with the workforce of almost 8 000 folks that we may not be able to reach ever all staff members or learning opportunities some may be out on leave some maybe i mean i i think the intent is to provide the opportunities but to make sure you reach all is a is an absolute maximum term and i think um you're just acknowledging the reality of our diverse large complex workforce okay did you have okay so we're down to two three and five um so on two uh we had some initial conversation in the committee about this um at the previous committee meeting about annual trainings and uh the how that may interact with the collective bargaining agreements
01h 25m 00s
and also their compensation and like all things related to that their responsibilities staff um came up with alternative language that's instead said identify opportunities for staff to utilize sustainable sustainability practices and funds that will work and provide information and tools to help implement these practices i don't know if someone wants to speak to somebody from staff speak to that and then jane and i would um because my understanding that this was a just in the last 48 hours that came through and so and there was an agreement so if somebody from staff could just speak to uh sort of the intent or the substance and then maybe jane you can respond if there is an agreement why why not i um i think the proposed language speaks for itself about what it's intending to do which is to absolutely provide opportunities for staff in our workplace what we can't do because of collective bargaining agreements and other issues is mandate and annual training those are specifically bargained and so this is this is the welfare i don't even know what that is the alternate language is designed to get to the heart of the matter which is not a a a an annual i actually we thought this language would be more productive to go to the work where the sustainability practices go to where you have impact right and not run into the electric fences of collective board meeting agreements and other uh similar constraints well i don't think we can i mean if we we can put this in policy but it's unenforceable until we have a well we'll get a demand a bargain yeah okay so i want to like not focus on the old language because i think i think we agreed like we try some new alternative layers i like the new language so i again so instead of having discussion about like what was there because i think there was agreement like we're going to try and move off about all parties that we're going to move off of that specific annual training what about the alternative language um is resulted in the we'll naturally agree with this or isaiah i'm sorry i didn't have time to improve it more yeah i think um like is is naming training a total no go like if if we if we take out the word annual training but like information it just sounds like kind of elusive um and and ineffective frankly i mean what we know about behavior change is that providing people information isn't adequate so we we want people to like the scale of change required is it i mean pbs has lots of momentum and distraction i i appreciate that um but it kind of climate change and thinking about climate justice needs to be in the fabric of the organizational culture so how do we do that it needs to be part of like how people think about it's part of everybody's job um and so simply like providing information and tools just sounds i think not it doesn't sound strong enough for for what will be required it sounds like the the sticker in the back room of the workforce that says if you have a issue with labor call this number something that everybody walks by um but very few people actually take the time to stop and read it and so that that's what i that's what i'm hearing yeah i mean i think i think the challenge here is that and that actually this is not a challenge it's an opportunity i think for uh for advocates to i mean this is this is a perfect example how the system is is more complex than than very linear right so this requires a labor uh engagement labor relationships so our advocates you know what what are our advocates doing to engage with our labor partners right because they're they're on the other side of the equation for the for this exact uh point so you know this is where you know operation operationalizing policy is complex it's not linear uh and it requires multiple uh parties and so i would encourage our advocates to to uh to you know to continue thinking about how they engage with uh other system parts of the system like
01h 30m 00s
labor we can't actually do it why is it there so what i'm hearing jane say is that the concern is that this language isn't robust enough to really hold pbs accountable what i'm hearing staff say about the initial language is that it's it's not something we can actually do and like herman said if it's not something we can do why it's there so what i'm wondering is if we can find a way to take the language that is there um around identifying opportunities for staff to utilize sustainability practices in the form of their work and and write it in a way that um feels a little more like it's it's going to happen i mean i think that overall goal empowering staff as allies for a healthy climate speaks to the robust culture change we're looking for um and so i'm not sure if there's a word liz that we could ask that that helps us sort of i think practices performance of the work implementation of those practices and information are all pretty strong okay i'm happy to happy to entertain what if we put in like annually identify opportunity i mean i think if we if it's time based in a way i think that might make it feel or regularly um i think annually you want to not make it okay january exercise you want it to be a january through december exercise okay right anyone agrees to i don't know but i also think it needs to be something that's renewed i think part of what i'm hearing the advocates say is that it needs to be something that doesn't just happen once but it's a a renewal and a sort of constant feature of our work so how do we right so it doesn't just become people it's additive so once i i provided an opportunity or a tool for you to do your job in a more sustainable way finding opportunities right we need to find a new one that grows in the organization and for those folks who maybe haven't adopted those opportunities to remind them how this might be better because i know having done work in other places that sometimes adoption of practices takes time that folks will go to learn about the thing [Music] you know the thing that works so um so is there a way to sort of make it more continuously i i don't know the language there to help with that sort of i mean i'm hearing what jane was saying i think about so i i like it continuously because i don't think that puts a time thing but an expectation that this isn't just a one-time thing the other and so like continuously identify opportunities for staff to utilize sustainability practices is that you added at the beginning julia yeah okay [Laughter] so the other the other piece and then i have a specific thing about the word training that i want to talk about but so identifying opportunities is like hey dan i can think of a way for you to do your job more sustainable that may not seem very um supportive for me to say that like hey i thought of some way for you to do something differently but so maybe incorporate it somewhere in here like identify opportunities and support staff as they do these because i see sort of a gap that james sees which is i'm thinking of like and i don't know if this is the same gap you see but it's sort of like we've identified it but we haven't done anything to like provide the support so if you can provide information and tools to help implement those practices what if it was like continuously continuously collaborate with staff to identify opportunities because then it's not the sort of i'm going to tell patrick how to do his job but it's together we're going to examine some practices that might work and i could go with provide and then maybe lose to your point and provide support common information and tools and jane i from my perspective tools training is a potential tool yeah so i to me that's i see that within the larger piece it's not it's not the specific word training but it's also broader and i think what jane is trying to do is to um remove the the idea where it's open to interpretation where we're saying we're going to do
01h 35m 00s
this this and this and if we do these things then this is going to help us get us closer to that and in one way i i agree with that and then i'm also um i'm also you know reminded that you're right we can't because of bargaining stuff we can't just say this is what y'all are going to do because they get to come back to the table and say you can't tell us that's got to come through through this and so how do we how do we make it and i want to like maybe we should read it once we're all said and done with all these changes but limited to what what we as as pps and staff what we can do what limited to what the things that we can control because we can't control um the partners you know holistically otherwise we just got to say we got to have something in place that says if you're not agreeing to these things then you're not a partner of pps because we're only going to work with people that you know these are the tracks that they're on and that gets so much larger that i don't think we're ready to go down that road that's just the i guess so behind this review where we are on what i think the proposed amendment is at this point that it continuously collaborate with staff to utilize sustainability practices in the performance of staff work for their work and provide information and tools to help implement those practices and i agree with you julia training assistant but we could put um yeah i'm gonna also add in like some support because i just information support yeah so yes to everything you just said and support and here's and this may be another thing where we don't know until we actually get into the broader implementation um but it may be to like an external person it's like hey we need to make sure that like every you know everybody has an opportunity to recycle yeah and then they'll say well like and if i'm the person who's gonna make sure that recycle stuff all gets in their right big master recycling bin like well then this is the this is what i would need to make that right happen and so there's a little bit of a dialogue and i think um i understand jane like the specificity around training because it may be in two years it's like hey the only way this is actually going to happen is if we integrate some training module and pay staff for the training because it's what we need to do we need the budget for it that's the only way it's going to happen but i guess i'm just i i'm going to be open to to the possibility that we set the direction that's going to happen and then we can if we need to course correct or be more specific or budget for it or have a very specific conversation with laborers our different labor forces that we do that um because we can't we can't actually put in training unless um for in a lot of our in our cvas without paying for it providing time or not having other duties so i would ask and i'm going to support being abroad and open and then coming back for when it's when it's being implemented for that next conversation about the effectiveness or whether you need something more specific however hey wait i'm good with that herman i'm good with it um do you think jane you want to close up the conversation with um i think that the the revised language is sounding better and i'm definitely happier with with that direction okay great thanks everybody so so let's jump right into number um 3.13 um so the there initial policy language said
01h 40m 00s
establishes a perception program to have a sustainability like liaison in every school um that's not what the virtual blanket is originally is that what the original language said i think this is the sorry i i don't know what you were doing and how far back do you mean yeah so it's a concern i mean is the liaison supposed to be staff okay so i mean so it would be like the tag liaison or the that we have the other people the extended responsibility extended responsibility right and so that is the issue like we can't pay people for this or is it the issue the superintendent feels very strongly that the principal should be in charge of deciding how this policy is implemented on the school site um what structure that takes in each building and that the accountabilities of the principal level not to designate extended responsibility assignments and policy okay i could that make sense to me that that would it would and you know could be part of the work of the site council um the principal works with there's a lot and each school culture and building is different okay i like i can totally get behind deletion then and um is there language i mean do we want to put that in the policy that principals will no that would be in the 80. they are responsible for implementing policy you don't have to look at every policy that probably needs to do this and everything right then that makes sense to me that we would want to give our administrators the discretion to implement this policy okay i'm totally comfortable with the legion of language then so um conceptually i see that i also know that principals have like a million things to to have have done and i guess are we giving principals like extra resources or are we giving principals training on the policy or i i don't i can't tell you that they're getting principals training on the policy but i certainly think they will be rolled out to the principles in some fashion they will be accountable to it you need to make sure they have sufficient information in order to comply with it to its fullest intent and i think they're very supportive of these efforts but i really recommend putting principal training policy in the policy itself i guess i'm just trying to envision how like i am not i don't know the exact implementation plan so i i think you can trust that it will be done because it can't be implemented people don't know about it so yeah and my concern too is that you know these leads are discretionary and voluntary and you know having a pencil be accountable as part of their scope of job duties i think is uh in many ways more a more robust way to ensure that fulfillment of the policy in each level site if the soup is saying that that he's like that you know this is something that the that the principles would be doing then it sounds to me like that it sounds like it's something that he's going to want to that you know he's he's already got a plan or something in place you know for it and so maybe it's not a policy but rather an administrative directive or something that that you know said because if the soup already has like he feels like no i want the principles to be doing this this is something that they should have a level of control over then to me it sounds like he's already got you know mentally he's got thoughts on what this should look like how it's supposed to look and he's probably got you know accountability pieces in place and all that other stuff so maybe it's not a policy but rather administrative directive that he can follow up on and then we can just follow up and say hey where are we at with this or something like that i think i also want to recognize it's not just about accountability and compliance it's about a system of supports that exist at the central office to help our entire system which is a collection of schools and others uh deliver the impact of this policy that everyone wants it to have and so it's not just like the super the principles are just have to go figure it out they have whether it's on the curricular side or the operation side where the maintenance side i mean all of those those systems have to work together to support the principle in administering his or her part in that in that particular building so for me it's going to be important to hear like the superintendent say that um um um as it's part of just like the role out of the ballsy because um i think about and this isn't with a this though the language isn't probably the only way to know a way to do it um but i think the
01h 45m 00s
being clear that's the expectation of like where the belly button is within the school of how it's going the policy is going to be delivered so for example if that's [Music] like this the central point you're a center of gravity like they're going to be the sorry no no i just never heard that before and i was like i was really that's like an old southern thing i'm like the heart that runs everything or the brain there's like the um anyway so because sometimes sometimes when it's not clear like what the theory of school implementation is then it becomes like hey the school uh the principal secretary ordered the paper and they just ordered what was cheapest or the custodian didn't have the recycling bins and so stuff just got all thrown into the garbage and so i like i said i'd like to hear and it's not putting in the policy but just hear the theory of the theory of the school-based i i understand here in the central office how that's driven but it just gets more decentralized every school so i i i want to hear that so i i support deletion of establish a program to have a sustainability liaison in every school um and to remove that and to you know my concern about that is it undermines our principal leadership our spouse leadership and uh our superintendent as well um what i'm hearing julia is that desire to hold accountability for implementation and i think um there are other policies and i think it's an important reminder that we are actively recruiting for a advisor on climate justice in the office of the superintendent uh that will will continue to uh provide support and implementation implementation support alongside aaron and the other folks on our staff so uh i i this is this is a a position that you know it was founded uh when you know we took we took it on uh nicole berg was the first um person there and we're like i said actively recruiting so i think it's an important reminder that you know in the office of the superintendent we will have someone who is guiding this work um on behalf of the district i appreciate that and thank you for my dad because i i do think um [Music] because to recognize that the advocates also recognize the importance of that position because they have proposed uh alternative language um that looked at that person as sort of a centralized and as a centralized resource i think one of the things is like it's now been a year that we haven't had somebody in that in that role so again just wanted to think about how it gets how good something happened um herman do you have a are you uh supportive of the deletion yes i can be supportive of the of the deletion okay um the number so we're on number five so i want to get i don't want to hear what directed to pass thoughts are obviously on that as well my my sense is i'm not going to speak for you jane but i mean there's some things where again period but people if there's disagreement with where the committee lands in the first reading obviously that's what the public comment period for is people can share their own important view or different or different ideas um because um we've had a lot of people working on this but that doesn't mean that we have all the ideas that exist i i will say i think one piece that we're somewhat missing is like school a lot of school-based staff and i know they were involved in the first resolution of their first
01h 50m 00s
so we're now down to 3.15 staff had proposed deletion the climate advocates um association if the other 3.1 sub-holes are deleted and we have i guess what i would describe right now is uh two of the four have been deleted so jane i'm interested in your thinking about whether um what you see in here that isn't captured in the two um the two items that are still in this draft um i think specifically on 3.1.5 it might be okay to delete depending on how that 3.1.2 shakes out i think that the the original intent of the 0.5 was more on the like adaptation side of um extreme weather events and and things that have happened as opposed to the mitigation side um but it might be i think we might be okay to let it go okay okay i um thank you um and again uh i i appreciate that you know i'm not i'm a very visual person so the revisions we made to 3.12 like i think everybody's going to want to see them and um you obviously have um can come back if there's a different point of view once you see how it checks out and i also think it'll be important when we um have the first reading and um maybe next week's candy meetings also to hear from the superintendent because i think that um i'm sorry i don't understand why we need to hear from this different network staff is bringing us information from him like it and my people hold it up to others okay i i feel like you know when the superintendent sends staff here to communicate things with us that is sufficient um but a different perspective so yeah i i know that the superintendent is busy and has many other things i think part of his role is often to send out staff to communicate and so i think it's um i i only raised it because i um because three or four months ago he had a very strong point of view and so it doesn't have to i'm just i'm offering it as a way that it may for those individuals who haven't had a conversation with him if he wants if he wasn't there obviously he doesn't he doesn't have to but right but i think one of the other ways that he can communicate that is great so what i'm understanding is that next week when we get back together uh at a 4 p.m meeting so i'll have had enough coffee that we are going to have the revised so i'm just talking about 3.1 that we'll have the revised 3.1.2 and then we will have deleted 3.1.3 i believe we will have to leave it 3.1.5 yes so that's what i'm understanding from today so it'll just be like that first little bit one and two what i want to do is later today create what i think is the new consensus amendment okay i'm going to run it by staff and i'll send it to jane what i what i heard because i i think that every issue there was a consensus that felt like yeah make sure that we captured it and we may not all agree with everything but we've captured what the committee what i think herman you and i have um the majority of the three on a variety of things i'm agreed to and that that would then be posted um as the the thing right um and they'll also be just a slightly revised uh preamble or uh maybe i should talk about well yeah so we'll get a revised draft for the next policy meeting and hopefully that'll be like the last thing and then we'll be ready to bring it before exactly i know that sounds like a perfect timing and just like the preamble and i was gonna uh reach out to you jonathan um to um just talk about that because i'm thinking maybe some of the things in the
01h 55m 00s
preamble actually would be like the resolution to adopt um the so you'll work out those policies yeah all right i mean i think we from a technical standpoint i think we have what we need in the intro and the preamble may be this uh other statement about our passage anything else not from us okay i apologize i don't even know what happened with my phone i made that noise and then completely shut down like it decided it was done that's the power down i think they've heard that you don't like cloud services so well hi on my printer where my copier at work uh its error message yesterday was life engagement over the last several months on this to get to play documents that i you know that's us yeah i echo that i really want to appreciate all the staff um not just those that are in this um in this meeting but all the other extended staff members that you know that you're that you're working with to try to get a level of consensus how we get this done um i know a lot of hours are going into it and with everything that we got going on and yet we're still trying to figure out a way to to keep this ship moving um i just want to tip my hat to all of you and say thank you so much for all the hard work you're putting in i appreciate it and herman you remind me one last thing is and i i meant to come back to it but the piece about the reporting on our investments in fossil fuels um but there was a conversation with the advocates of changing it from disinvest to like a transparency um because that's really the first step of him having a conversation about our investments and there was nobioto aged about you know how we do that and he did share like the the challenges because of some of the investments the state requires us to make and then and the tools and the funds um but the language that we landed on was language that nobody originally looked at and um was worked for the district and again this may be one of those things where we get a couple reports and we're like yes this is totally what we wanted or not quite and we can have a further conversation but i think it does get us on the path to understanding where our funds are invested so i'm gonna tell you right now roberto is getting behind it and alberto is saying that it's a go man we rocking with it because roberto is my guy okay great all right thanks everybody i really appreciate it all right i don't think we have any public players i just want to know that uh chair cass could approve any of those legislative changes to this next effort but she supports it yes i'm great thank you thank you yes we are adjourned and thank you everybody


Sources

Retrieved from "https://wiki.sunshinepps.org/index.php?title=2022-01-21_PPS_School_Board_Policy_Committee_Meeting&oldid=10612"
Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License (CC BY-SA 4.0)
Center for Transparent Analysis and Policy
Powered by MediaWiki
Powered by Semantic MediaWiki